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It's just the same old thing. If someone worked hard to get somewhere, they hate it when someone else gets that for free. Oh, but you didn't really make that ar

It's just the same old thing. If someone worked hard to get somewhere, they hate it when someone else gets that for free. Oh, but you didn't really make that art, you used a brush, you used a diffusion model, blah blah. Oh but you didn't really work out. Oh but you didn't really write that Python program in 100 lines, it actually relies on these million lines of stdlib + firmware. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. That's how it is. I have a personal bias to small effect consistent medication over high effect rare medication, but I have at least one friend who has seen great results with Ozempic. So I'm glad to see more people can access this drug. After all, I can't really see. I use glasses or contact lenses.

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coffeebeqn 2y ago
Which is pretty weird because just qualitatively ozempic wont get you into “great shape” - just helps you not be very unhealthily overweight. You still need to do the weights and nutrition for muscles or cardio for great cardiovascular health
- CorruptedArc 2y ago
  Exactly, all of which becomes significantly easier when someone isn't excessively overweight. They still need to put in effort to reach a good place.
scandox 2y ago
Well I'm sympathetic to your point of view, but there I think there are some small chinks in the armour of this argument. To give two examples: 1. I read an article about plastic surgery for show dogs in Brazil: as it pointed out the dogs presented beautifully but their offspring had the original flaws which were undesirable. Might seem absurd but it highlights the possibility of a result being achieved in a way that is inauthentic and has the seeds of future failure within it. 2. There are many things in life in which the result is merely evidence of a journey undertaken which is in itself understood to prove something that is otherwise not visible. For example one might say that someone who did a tremendous amount of exercise has shown focus and determination...the visible result may be them appearing fit. So again maybe the visible result is sometimes just a signifier of the effort it took and that might be considered the important aspect. It really depends on the observer and what they care about. In a sense you and I with our glasses are like Brazilian show dogs - we can see alright but indeed our vision is flawed and when I lose my glasses I can feel pretty helpless.

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coffeebeqn 2y ago

Which is pretty weird because just qualitatively ozempic wont get you into “great shape” - just helps you not be very unhealthily overweight. You still need to do the weights and nutrition for muscles or cardio for great cardiovascular health

CorruptedArc 2y ago
Exactly, all of which becomes significantly easier when someone isn't excessively overweight. They still need to put in effort to reach a good place.

scandox 2y ago

Well I'm sympathetic to your point of view, but there I think there are some small chinks in the armour of this argument. To give two examples: 1. I read an article about plastic surgery for show dogs in Brazil: as it pointed out the dogs presented beautifully but their offspring had the original flaws which were undesirable. Might seem absurd but it highlights the possibility of a result being achieved in a way that is inauthentic and has the seeds of future failure within it. 2. There are many things in life in which the result is merely evidence of a journey undertaken which is in itself understood to prove something that is otherwise not visible. For example one might say that someone who did a tremendous amount of exercise has shown focus and determination...the visible result may be them appearing fit. So again maybe the visible result is sometimes just a signifier of the effort it took and that might be considered the important aspect. It really depends on the observer and what they care about. In a sense you and I with our glasses are like Brazilian show dogs - we can see alright but indeed our vision is flawed and when I lose my glasses I can feel pretty helpless.