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I recently got bored of Apple ecosystem. Was considering buying System76 for work, but thought that iPhone Mirroring feature would be really neat and decided to

by xlii 2y ago

I recently got bored of Apple ecosystem. Was considering buying System76 for work, but thought that iPhone Mirroring feature would be really neat and decided to wait. Turns out it’s not available in EU because yadda yadda Apple threw a fit. Oh well.

crazygringo 2y ago
> because yadda yadda Apple threw a fit Publicly traded corporations generally engage in strategy. They don't "throw a fit". You're suggesting some kind of emotional immaturity. That's not how these corporations generally operate. I don't know why the iPhone mirroring isn't supported, but I can absolutely guarantee you it's not because anybody is "throwing a fit".
- redserk 2y ago
  This is unnecessarily pedantic. Personifying the behavior of a company is not some new concept. It’s actually rather common. Because a company itself cannot express emotions, the externally facing visible decisions are used as a proxy. For example, a company raising prices to an unexpected level may be described as “greedy”. A company executing a series of decisions that appears misguided or incalculable may be described as “panicking”.
  - crazygringo 2y ago
    > Personifying the behavior of a company is not some new concept. It’s actually rather common. I know, it's common and it's wrong and unhelpful. That's my point. It doesn't help us understand the situation better, but actively misleads us if we're interested in actually analyzing problems and coming up with solutions. And I just looked it up and it appears that Apple isn't supporting it because their reading of the EU law is that they'd have to support iPhone mirroring to third parties like Windows and Linux, where it would be harder or impossible to control the security and privacy. That's something that can be talked about intelligently, whichever side you're on. Saying they're "throwing a fit" is not. It's false, and makes the conversation worse for all of us.
- KaiserPro 2y ago
  > You're suggesting some kind of emotional immaturity Depends on who's in charge. Meta has shit PR primarily because Zuck doesn't like/understand comms. Hes bollocks deep in AI because he likes it. Even though it costs him shareholder value (dropping those billions on new data centres to run massive loss making AI infra. )
skydhash 2y ago
I've installed Asahi on my mac. Altough I had to recreate some utilities, it's so much worth it. With macOS you have to accept the good and the bad, and the bad are really annoying. It work great for task focused usage, but for personal computing, it's a pain.
- andrelaszlo 2y ago
  How's your experience? I'm tempted but have so many questions: - Which mac are you using? - Any missing hardware support? - Dual booting? - How's Bluetooth? - Anything else that was surprising, scary, or disappointing?
  - kccqzy 2y ago
    Not OP but I use Asahi on my M1 Pro MBP. Hardware support is incomplete (Thunderbolt doesn't work for example) but I don't need it. One surprising thing is the battery life while sleeping but I learned to do a shutdown instead of sleeping on it.
  - skydhash 2y ago
    It's both on my Mac Mini and my MBA (both M1). It work great on the Mini. I think bluetooth work, but I have no use for it and have never checked. Everything works great as far as I know (even virtualization with qemu). I don't game on it, so can't say anything about that. As for the MBA, suspend is still a miss (I read that the asahi team can't get certain devices to go to deep sleep, so they chose a safer low power mode instead). The lack of DP over usb-c is a bit annoying, but I mostly use the laptop display on macOS too, so I don't really mind. I think thunderbolt is not there too, but I have no thunderbolt devices (dock or storage). It boots very fast, but I'd recommend against KDE as the MBA gets hot with it. I'm using Sway. I heard about microphone issue, but I've never used it for calls as I have a usb one on my desktop. The installation process is as easy as something done in the terminal can be. It's pretty much guided (just make sure you have enough space for the installation). If I had to redo it, I'd choose the minimal installation as I don't like KDE that much and it was some pain to remove it.
    - 2y ago
Cyberdog 2y ago
I looked up an article to elaborate on the "threw a fit" part. It appears that Apple believes it would have to compromise security aspects of iPhone Mirroring in order to do it in a way that complies with EU law, so it's choosing to just not offer it at all. https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/06/28/eu-hits-back-at-apple-withholding-apple-intelligence-from-the-region https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/06/28/eu-hits-back-at-a...
- xlii 2y ago
  The problem I have with this explanation is that it’s 90% available sans the magic update. It’s possible to Airplay iPhone to window and see what’s on the screen. Continuity with iPad work just well so it’s also possible to control iPad using MacOS. But combine both and we get into no-no land. It’s not a secret that Apple brings much more revenue from US than from EU. I named it a fit, but I’m perfectly aware it’s a power struggle between EU and Apple and I think it’s an end of the era.
alerighi 2y ago
Well, available since a lot of time on Android: https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy And it works perfectly. Pair it with kdeconnect and you have even a better experience of integration between your phone and your PC than with Apple. Only thing that is missing is the ability to take calls from the PC, that to be fair, it's not something that useful to me (if I want to make phone calls from the PC I use my landline number with VOIP). Again, I see no innovation in the Apple ecosystem, after trying it out I'm happy to have returned to Linux+Android, overall a better experience. I don't miss Apple at all, it was like being in a cage...
dangus 2y ago
Honestly I find it a bit hilarious that you thought the iPhone mirroring feature was "the one" that would keep you on the platform. The last thing I want to do is operate my phone with a trackpad/mouse and keyboard.

by xlii 2y ago

crazygringo 2y ago

> because yadda yadda Apple threw a fit Publicly traded corporations generally engage in strategy. They don't "throw a fit". You're suggesting some kind of emotional immaturity. That's not how these corporations generally operate. I don't know why the iPhone mirroring isn't supported, but I can absolutely guarantee you it's not because anybody is "throwing a fit".

redserk 2y ago
This is unnecessarily pedantic. Personifying the behavior of a company is not some new concept. It’s actually rather common. Because a company itself cannot express emotions, the externally facing visible decisions are used as a proxy. For example, a company raising prices to an unexpected level may be described as “greedy”. A company executing a series of decisions that appears misguided or incalculable may be described as “panicking”.
- crazygringo 2y ago
  > Personifying the behavior of a company is not some new concept. It’s actually rather common. I know, it's common and it's wrong and unhelpful. That's my point. It doesn't help us understand the situation better, but actively misleads us if we're interested in actually analyzing problems and coming up with solutions. And I just looked it up and it appears that Apple isn't supporting it because their reading of the EU law is that they'd have to support iPhone mirroring to third parties like Windows and Linux, where it would be harder or impossible to control the security and privacy. That's something that can be talked about intelligently, whichever side you're on. Saying they're "throwing a fit" is not. It's false, and makes the conversation worse for all of us.
KaiserPro 2y ago
> You're suggesting some kind of emotional immaturity Depends on who's in charge. Meta has shit PR primarily because Zuck doesn't like/understand comms. Hes bollocks deep in AI because he likes it. Even though it costs him shareholder value (dropping those billions on new data centres to run massive loss making AI infra. )

skydhash 2y ago

I've installed Asahi on my mac. Altough I had to recreate some utilities, it's so much worth it. With macOS you have to accept the good and the bad, and the bad are really annoying. It work great for task focused usage, but for personal computing, it's a pain.

andrelaszlo 2y ago
How's your experience? I'm tempted but have so many questions: - Which mac are you using? - Any missing hardware support? - Dual booting? - How's Bluetooth? - Anything else that was surprising, scary, or disappointing?
- kccqzy 2y ago
  Not OP but I use Asahi on my M1 Pro MBP. Hardware support is incomplete (Thunderbolt doesn't work for example) but I don't need it. One surprising thing is the battery life while sleeping but I learned to do a shutdown instead of sleeping on it.
- skydhash 2y ago
  It's both on my Mac Mini and my MBA (both M1). It work great on the Mini. I think bluetooth work, but I have no use for it and have never checked. Everything works great as far as I know (even virtualization with qemu). I don't game on it, so can't say anything about that. As for the MBA, suspend is still a miss (I read that the asahi team can't get certain devices to go to deep sleep, so they chose a safer low power mode instead). The lack of DP over usb-c is a bit annoying, but I mostly use the laptop display on macOS too, so I don't really mind. I think thunderbolt is not there too, but I have no thunderbolt devices (dock or storage). It boots very fast, but I'd recommend against KDE as the MBA gets hot with it. I'm using Sway. I heard about microphone issue, but I've never used it for calls as I have a usb one on my desktop. The installation process is as easy as something done in the terminal can be. It's pretty much guided (just make sure you have enough space for the installation). If I had to redo it, I'd choose the minimal installation as I don't like KDE that much and it was some pain to remove it.
  - 2y ago

Cyberdog 2y ago

I looked up an article to elaborate on the "threw a fit" part. It appears that Apple believes it would have to compromise security aspects of iPhone Mirroring in order to do it in a way that complies with EU law, so it's choosing to just not offer it at all. https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/06/28/eu-hits-back-at-apple-withholding-apple-intelligence-from-the-region https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/06/28/eu-hits-back-at-a...

xlii 2y ago
The problem I have with this explanation is that it’s 90% available sans the magic update. It’s possible to Airplay iPhone to window and see what’s on the screen. Continuity with iPad work just well so it’s also possible to control iPad using MacOS. But combine both and we get into no-no land. It’s not a secret that Apple brings much more revenue from US than from EU. I named it a fit, but I’m perfectly aware it’s a power struggle between EU and Apple and I think it’s an end of the era.

alerighi 2y ago

Well, available since a lot of time on Android: https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy And it works perfectly. Pair it with kdeconnect and you have even a better experience of integration between your phone and your PC than with Apple. Only thing that is missing is the ability to take calls from the PC, that to be fair, it's not something that useful to me (if I want to make phone calls from the PC I use my landline number with VOIP). Again, I see no innovation in the Apple ecosystem, after trying it out I'm happy to have returned to Linux+Android, overall a better experience. I don't miss Apple at all, it was like being in a cage...

dangus 2y ago

Honestly I find it a bit hilarious that you thought the iPhone mirroring feature was "the one" that would keep you on the platform. The last thing I want to do is operate my phone with a trackpad/mouse and keyboard.