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Yes, in fact there is also a good number of conferences, for instance in less than two days https://2024.heartofclojure.eu/ https://2024.heartofclojure.eu/ star

Yes, in fact there is also a good number of conferences, for instance in less than two days https://2024.heartofclojure.eu/ https://2024.heartofclojure.eu/ starts in Belgium for instance (meet me there ;-) ). We are writing a trading system for a small broker company in Clojure/ ClojureScript with a Datomic centered backend. The previous company some of us on the team worked at had the code-base also in Clojure/ ClojureScript.

kaliszad 2y ago
Btw. there is a new video from the Heart of Clojure Hallway track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEqzw6V31tk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEqzw6V31tk I think it really captures the great atmosphere in the community and some community leaders.
tsingy 2y ago
How is the job market for juniors? Functional programming jobs seems to be anti-juniors when hiring.
- kaliszad 2y ago
  Hard to say, I was always contacted directly by the team/ had other role and later it turned out I can do a fair bit of programming too ;-)
- nextos 2y ago
  Sadly Common Lisp, Scheme, Clojure, Julia, OCaml, F# and Haskell jobs are quite scarce. For example, right now, I can only see ~50 LinkedIn EU Clojure ads. A dozen more mention Clojure but it does not seem to be the main focus of the job. Would love to be proven wrong, though. Perhaps these jobs are sometimes not advertised via LinkedIn.
  - eadmund 2y ago
    I would love for my next job to be in Common Lisp. I do have a concern though. I see that at lots of companies the job is not a Go job or a Python job or a Javascript job, but a Go-at-Foocorp job or a Python-at-Bazco job or a Javascript-at-International-Clowns-Inc. job. What I mean is that the team have built so many leaky abstractions atop the core language, and added so many third-party tools, that the learning curve is steep and the skills non-transferable. On the one hand, who cares? We’re human, we can learn. But on the other it means that it can take significantly longer to ramp up and start delivering value than one would prefer. What’s this have to do with Lisp? Well, while a well-written Lisp system will be faster to pick up and get started on that one in a less-powerful language (i.e., almost all of them), a poorly-written mess will be much, much slower. My concern is that I might leave a pretty good situation for what ends up being a dumpster fire — and then have to find a new job too quickly.
    - nextos 2y ago
      That's so true, you can write Fortran in any language! I've seen great Java codebases and atrocious Clojure out there. Developing good non-over-engineered abstractions is hard. But with Lisp it's a bit easier. Some places do abuse macro DSLs and you can end up, as you said, working on a local language with no transferable skills.
- fhd2 2y ago
  I'd say that market exists, but is kinda invisible. I've been looking around for a junior with a passion for Common Lisp, but I have _no_ idea where to find one, especially in Germany (job's remote, but I'm currently not able to hire FTEs outside the country).
- BaculumMeumEst 2y ago
  That's like asking about the job market for hammers.
lvh 2y ago
(I'm one of the founders of Latacora and reviewed the post.) If any of you are at Heart of Clojure, I'll be there both wearing my Latacora hat and my Clojurists Together hat :)
- kaliszad 2y ago
  Missed your reply but we've met anyway... so all is good. Thank you for attending and sponsoring.

kaliszad 2y ago

Btw. there is a new video from the Heart of Clojure Hallway track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEqzw6V31tk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEqzw6V31tk I think it really captures the great atmosphere in the community and some community leaders.

tsingy 2y ago

How is the job market for juniors? Functional programming jobs seems to be anti-juniors when hiring.

kaliszad 2y ago
Hard to say, I was always contacted directly by the team/ had other role and later it turned out I can do a fair bit of programming too ;-)
nextos 2y ago
Sadly Common Lisp, Scheme, Clojure, Julia, OCaml, F# and Haskell jobs are quite scarce. For example, right now, I can only see ~50 LinkedIn EU Clojure ads. A dozen more mention Clojure but it does not seem to be the main focus of the job. Would love to be proven wrong, though. Perhaps these jobs are sometimes not advertised via LinkedIn.
- eadmund 2y ago
  I would love for my next job to be in Common Lisp. I do have a concern though. I see that at lots of companies the job is not a Go job or a Python job or a Javascript job, but a Go-at-Foocorp job or a Python-at-Bazco job or a Javascript-at-International-Clowns-Inc. job. What I mean is that the team have built so many leaky abstractions atop the core language, and added so many third-party tools, that the learning curve is steep and the skills non-transferable. On the one hand, who cares? We’re human, we can learn. But on the other it means that it can take significantly longer to ramp up and start delivering value than one would prefer. What’s this have to do with Lisp? Well, while a well-written Lisp system will be faster to pick up and get started on that one in a less-powerful language (i.e., almost all of them), a poorly-written mess will be much, much slower. My concern is that I might leave a pretty good situation for what ends up being a dumpster fire — and then have to find a new job too quickly.
  - nextos 2y ago
    That's so true, you can write Fortran in any language! I've seen great Java codebases and atrocious Clojure out there. Developing good non-over-engineered abstractions is hard. But with Lisp it's a bit easier. Some places do abuse macro DSLs and you can end up, as you said, working on a local language with no transferable skills.
fhd2 2y ago
I'd say that market exists, but is kinda invisible. I've been looking around for a junior with a passion for Common Lisp, but I have _no_ idea where to find one, especially in Germany (job's remote, but I'm currently not able to hire FTEs outside the country).
BaculumMeumEst 2y ago
That's like asking about the job market for hammers.

lvh 2y ago

(I'm one of the founders of Latacora and reviewed the post.) If any of you are at Heart of Clojure, I'll be there both wearing my Latacora hat and my Clojurists Together hat :)

kaliszad 2y ago
Missed your reply but we've met anyway... so all is good. Thank you for attending and sponsoring.