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This entire discussion or dichotomy is just a massive and sad misdirection. Its explicitly cargo-culting. In what other world do we spend half of our time talki

This entire discussion or dichotomy is just a massive and sad misdirection. Its explicitly cargo-culting. In what other world do we spend half of our time talking about and conforming to various 'methodologies'. If we just find the right sprint cadence. If we just do retros better. Maybe some kanban-scrum hybrid. If we just _reallly_ limit standups to 15 minutes. If we clap three times at the end instead of two - then perhaps we will be able to deliver software. There has to be some process, for tracking and communication. We should just have an industry-wide standard that management gets to impose a 5% process tax on hours spent and no more. And we should explicitly recognize that test, design, communication, teaching, engaging with the customer, triage and debugging are how software gets built. There is no magic process bullet. Its a wasteful story invented by management who existentially cannot admit that they have no control over the situation.

Swizec 2y ago
> In what other world do we spend half of our time talking about and conforming to various 'methodologies Remember that this is largely about consultants selling advice to executives. This is not about getting stuff done. BUT software is also a young industry. We just don’t know yet the right way to do it so we discuss and share what’s worked for us. Just like it took a while to find the right manufacturing processes in other industries.
- HeyLaughingBoy 2y ago
  That's because the "right way" needs to vary depending on what you're building. You don't build a garden shed the same way you build a skyscraper. Likewise, you don't build a twitter client the same way you build an implantable pacemaker.
  - cruffle_duffle 2y ago
    And for that matter you don’t build a twitter client the same way you built a backend for twitter clients to connect to. In my experience every team and project has a unique way of working and that could be encouraged.

Swizec 2y ago

> In what other world do we spend half of our time talking about and conforming to various 'methodologies Remember that this is largely about consultants selling advice to executives. This is not about getting stuff done. BUT software is also a young industry. We just don’t know yet the right way to do it so we discuss and share what’s worked for us. Just like it took a while to find the right manufacturing processes in other industries.

HeyLaughingBoy 2y ago
That's because the "right way" needs to vary depending on what you're building. You don't build a garden shed the same way you build a skyscraper. Likewise, you don't build a twitter client the same way you build an implantable pacemaker.
- cruffle_duffle 2y ago
  And for that matter you don’t build a twitter client the same way you built a backend for twitter clients to connect to. In my experience every team and project has a unique way of working and that could be encouraged.