> And personally I think in the occasional interminable "oh wouldn't it be wonderful if programmers were real engineers like architects" threads, where people f

> And personally I think in the occasional interminable "oh wouldn't it be wonderful if programmers were real engineers like architects" threads, where people fail to understand those processes used by other engineering disciplines are contingent based on the nature of their work rather than abstract Platonic ideals all should strive for, and those other disciplines would love to work with continuous integration servers and automated testing and strongly-typed components, there are a lot of developers that believe even today that if we just tried hard enough, waterfall could not only work but be the optimal design methodology, and it is we who are failing waterfall rather than the other way around. You captured so much in this one sentence, especially the end, about how waterfall failed the developer, rather than the developer having failed waterfall. This script-flip works on many other systematized orthodoxies, I suspect.