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11gen intel framework has been mostly very good to me: but the reminder why linux desktop is ouch was inevitable : Ubuntu 22.04 is stuck on a kernel version wi

11gen intel framework has been mostly very good to me: but the reminder why linux desktop is ouch was inevitable : Ubuntu 22.04 is stuck on a kernel version with bad intel driver for 11gen (after 6 months ago the problem was discussed on arch forums) That is a fundamental flaw to me, that ubuntu ships known bad kernels to the world capable of complete UI lockup requiring force alt+prtscrn+REISUB (ubuntu 24.04 upgrade just released and fails, but now instead of figuring out why, my eternal anger means i am going to have to spend lots of time learning these nix or "atomic" distros that prioritize being able to switch kernels "easier?")

worble 2y ago
Reasons like this are why I jumped ship to arch a long time ago. The amount of issues you get are about the same but they get fixed a heck of a lot quicker. And now flatpaks are popular I can use those for most applications without worrying that a random lib update isn't going to brick it, as would happen somewhat often for aur stuff. I've played around with Fedora Silverblue and the like but there's still a lot of friction with entirely immutable distros, having to layer packages is a slow and painful, and setting up a consistent development environment is hard; I'm not entirely sure how I'm supposed to install dev tools in a toolbox and get my IDE environment from a flatpak to integrate with it. There's probably something I'm misunderstanding about how I'm supposed to set this up but a quick search at the time didn't lead to anything. Regardless I'm mostly comfortable with sticking to arch for a bleeding edge distro and drivers, knowing that if I do get an issue it'll be fixed relatively quick, and always keeping linux-lts kernel handy along with timeshift backups if anything does cause major issues.
rscho 2y ago
GRUB allows to choose your kernel at startup. Had a bad Debian (testing) update, chose an older kernel for a while with no problem at all.
homebrewer 2y ago
Presumably you've tried using hardware enablement kernels? https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle I concur with worbie, rolling release distributions are where it's at: it's the least painful way to use a desktop (reusing the famous phrase, they're the worst operating systems, except for all the others). I recently had issues with the latest kernel, but a) they were fixed within a couple of weeks, not a couple of years, and b) I simply installed linux-lts while fixes were being worked on and continued with my work.
mschuster91 2y ago
> Ubuntu 22.04 is stuck on a kernel version with bad intel driver for 11gen (after 6 months ago the problem was discussed on arch forums) Ubuntu's fuck-up aside, it's really trivial to compile yourself a kernel, even one that gets wrapped in a .deb package [1]. [1] https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-comm...

worble 2y ago

Reasons like this are why I jumped ship to arch a long time ago. The amount of issues you get are about the same but they get fixed a heck of a lot quicker. And now flatpaks are popular I can use those for most applications without worrying that a random lib update isn't going to brick it, as would happen somewhat often for aur stuff. I've played around with Fedora Silverblue and the like but there's still a lot of friction with entirely immutable distros, having to layer packages is a slow and painful, and setting up a consistent development environment is hard; I'm not entirely sure how I'm supposed to install dev tools in a toolbox and get my IDE environment from a flatpak to integrate with it. There's probably something I'm misunderstanding about how I'm supposed to set this up but a quick search at the time didn't lead to anything. Regardless I'm mostly comfortable with sticking to arch for a bleeding edge distro and drivers, knowing that if I do get an issue it'll be fixed relatively quick, and always keeping linux-lts kernel handy along with timeshift backups if anything does cause major issues.

rscho 2y ago

GRUB allows to choose your kernel at startup. Had a bad Debian (testing) update, chose an older kernel for a while with no problem at all.

homebrewer 2y ago

Presumably you've tried using hardware enablement kernels? https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle I concur with worbie, rolling release distributions are where it's at: it's the least painful way to use a desktop (reusing the famous phrase, they're the worst operating systems, except for all the others). I recently had issues with the latest kernel, but a) they were fixed within a couple of weeks, not a couple of years, and b) I simply installed linux-lts while fixes were being worked on and continued with my work.

mschuster91 2y ago

> Ubuntu 22.04 is stuck on a kernel version with bad intel driver for 11gen (after 6 months ago the problem was discussed on arch forums) Ubuntu's fuck-up aside, it's really trivial to compile yourself a kernel, even one that gets wrapped in a .deb package [1]. [1] https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-comm...