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I didn't expect screen hinges to be the biggest annoyance. Also, sleep issues. Any more insight? Is this related to the S3/S0ix issue discussed recently? https

I didn't expect screen hinges to be the biggest annoyance. Also, sleep issues. Any more insight? Is this related to the S3/S0ix issue discussed recently? https://blog.jeujeus.de/blog/hardware/laptops-will-not-sleep-anymore/ https://blog.jeujeus.de/blog/hardware/laptops-will-not-sleep...

dmm 2y ago
The 12th gen Framework supports both s2idle(s0ix) and deep(s3) sleep. I use s2idle, because it's the default. $ cat /sys/power/mem_sleep [s2idle] deep At one point I did a quick comparison of the two and deep sleep performed a little better. I haven't attempted any tweaks to optimize that though, like eliminating sources of wakeups. I haven't had sleep issues like the author describes. The difference may be that I run Fedora workstation which has a opinionated ootb experience and tracks the "stable" kernel, currently 6.10. It could be a difference in usage too. I rarely use thunderbolt, for example.
dathinab 2y ago
> I didn't expect screen hinges to be the biggest annoyance. it really depends on what you do with it I'm perfectly fine with the hinge strength and wouldn't want to stronger hinges. But I can see that it's quite sup-par if someone idk. frequently uses it in quite bump situations or cares a lot about the angle of the screen not changing when idk. carrying it open around with one hand maybe handling a kid with the other or similar. Like if I lift it besides the touch pat with one hand and shake it a bit it (without much force just a bit of up down "shaking") the screen will open/close (depending if it was more open or closed before). Through I thing I might have some of the very very early "even worse" hinges. (But then for my mostly in-homes use-case it really doesn't matter for me). Wrt. the sleep issues it's pretty much the issues discussed recently i.e. not OS specific and hard for Framework to fix. I can't say too much about it as I default my setup to sleep-then-hibernate since many year so I never really cared about "long deep sleep" working well.

dmm 2y ago

The 12th gen Framework supports both s2idle(s0ix) and deep(s3) sleep. I use s2idle, because it's the default. $ cat /sys/power/mem_sleep [s2idle] deep At one point I did a quick comparison of the two and deep sleep performed a little better. I haven't attempted any tweaks to optimize that though, like eliminating sources of wakeups. I haven't had sleep issues like the author describes. The difference may be that I run Fedora workstation which has a opinionated ootb experience and tracks the "stable" kernel, currently 6.10. It could be a difference in usage too. I rarely use thunderbolt, for example.

dathinab 2y ago

> I didn't expect screen hinges to be the biggest annoyance. it really depends on what you do with it I'm perfectly fine with the hinge strength and wouldn't want to stronger hinges. But I can see that it's quite sup-par if someone idk. frequently uses it in quite bump situations or cares a lot about the angle of the screen not changing when idk. carrying it open around with one hand maybe handling a kid with the other or similar. Like if I lift it besides the touch pat with one hand and shake it a bit it (without much force just a bit of up down "shaking") the screen will open/close (depending if it was more open or closed before). Through I thing I might have some of the very very early "even worse" hinges. (But then for my mostly in-homes use-case it really doesn't matter for me). Wrt. the sleep issues it's pretty much the issues discussed recently i.e. not OS specific and hard for Framework to fix. I can't say too much about it as I default my setup to sleep-then-hibernate since many year so I never really cared about "long deep sleep" working well.