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> But success has different definitions. Yes, except doesn’t Mr. Beast define the kind of success he’s aiming for in the PDF? > I do not consider Jimmy succes

> But success has different definitions. Yes, except doesn’t Mr. Beast define the kind of success he’s aiming for in the PDF? > I do not consider Jimmy successful. By the definition he set for success or the one you made up?

talldatethrow 2y ago
Probably by more common definitions held by people OP respects... For example, millions of people would not call him a success because he doesn't have a family with children (although Mr beast has definitely implied he wants one in the future). Many millions more would say that he's not a success because he doesn't do anything that's a net positive for society, instead he's mostly a drain on people's time and mental capacity.
- paulcole 2y ago
  Uh, ok? If you're going to debate why this guy is/is not a success we can all make up our own little definitions and go on all day. But he defined his goals in this PDF and it seems like he's reaching/making progress towards those goals.
  - talldatethrow 2y ago
    People DO make up their definitions, and put together they create a communities standards of success and then eventually a societies. Would you say a man that spends 40 years working 60 hours a week, alienating all friends and neighbors til he has no friends or anyone that respects him, no kids, no partner, and a group on ex employees that hate him for squeezing them to work under market value? Is he a success just because he accumulated 3x the capital he set out to when he started his business at 20 years old? Then dies suddenly alone, only for everyone that met him to chuckle and move on with their day? Would that be a success by most people's standards? Does it even matter if it's a success by one person's standards? Are the school shooters a success because they accomplish their goals before death?
    - paulcole 2y ago
      > Would you say a man that spends 40 years working 60 hours a week, alienating all friends and neighbors til he has no friends or anyone that respects him, no kids, no partner, and a group on ex employees that hate him for squeezing them to work under market value? If you accept a job that’s your market value. If you think you’re worth more, get a higher paying job. Or don’t and pretend that you were squeezed into working for under market value. The guy employed people for 40 years. Not the worst thing in the world. Not everybody values the same stuff. Some people like what other people call work. Some people don’t need friends. > Is he a success just because he accumulated 3x the capital he set out to when he started his business at 20 years old? If at 20 years old he said his goal was to accumulate 3x the capital before he dies, then I couldn’t argue that by his definition of success, he succeeded. Hopefully he doesn’t care if I think he’s a success. > Then dies suddenly alone We all die suddenly and alone. We’re alive and then we’re dead. Nobody comes with us. > Would that be a success by most people's standards? Who cares what most people think?
      - talldatethrow 2y ago
        If no one cared what other people thought, why are we even talking on here. Also, how would you apply your logic to the school shooter question?
        paulcole 2y ago
        > If no one cared what other people thought, why are we even talking on here. We hate ourselves and have nothing better to do? > Also, how would you apply your logic to the school shooter question? I wouldn’t pat yourself on the back quite so hard for finding this attempt at a clever gotcha. I thought by ignoring it you’d get the message that it wasn’t as good as you thought it was. But nevertheless, I would say that they were successful in reaching their goals but that I find their goals and actions abhorrent. I don’t feel the need to add that final qualification to MrBeast’s goals and actions.
        talldatethrow 2y ago

talldatethrow 2y ago

Probably by more common definitions held by people OP respects... For example, millions of people would not call him a success because he doesn't have a family with children (although Mr beast has definitely implied he wants one in the future). Many millions more would say that he's not a success because he doesn't do anything that's a net positive for society, instead he's mostly a drain on people's time and mental capacity.

paulcole 2y ago
Uh, ok? If you're going to debate why this guy is/is not a success we can all make up our own little definitions and go on all day. But he defined his goals in this PDF and it seems like he's reaching/making progress towards those goals.
- talldatethrow 2y ago
  People DO make up their definitions, and put together they create a communities standards of success and then eventually a societies. Would you say a man that spends 40 years working 60 hours a week, alienating all friends and neighbors til he has no friends or anyone that respects him, no kids, no partner, and a group on ex employees that hate him for squeezing them to work under market value? Is he a success just because he accumulated 3x the capital he set out to when he started his business at 20 years old? Then dies suddenly alone, only for everyone that met him to chuckle and move on with their day? Would that be a success by most people's standards? Does it even matter if it's a success by one person's standards? Are the school shooters a success because they accomplish their goals before death?
  - paulcole 2y ago
    > Would you say a man that spends 40 years working 60 hours a week, alienating all friends and neighbors til he has no friends or anyone that respects him, no kids, no partner, and a group on ex employees that hate him for squeezing them to work under market value? If you accept a job that’s your market value. If you think you’re worth more, get a higher paying job. Or don’t and pretend that you were squeezed into working for under market value. The guy employed people for 40 years. Not the worst thing in the world. Not everybody values the same stuff. Some people like what other people call work. Some people don’t need friends. > Is he a success just because he accumulated 3x the capital he set out to when he started his business at 20 years old? If at 20 years old he said his goal was to accumulate 3x the capital before he dies, then I couldn’t argue that by his definition of success, he succeeded. Hopefully he doesn’t care if I think he’s a success. > Then dies suddenly alone We all die suddenly and alone. We’re alive and then we’re dead. Nobody comes with us. > Would that be a success by most people's standards? Who cares what most people think?
    - talldatethrow 2y ago
      If no one cared what other people thought, why are we even talking on here. Also, how would you apply your logic to the school shooter question?
      - paulcole 2y ago
        > If no one cared what other people thought, why are we even talking on here. We hate ourselves and have nothing better to do? > Also, how would you apply your logic to the school shooter question? I wouldn’t pat yourself on the back quite so hard for finding this attempt at a clever gotcha. I thought by ignoring it you’d get the message that it wasn’t as good as you thought it was. But nevertheless, I would say that they were successful in reaching their goals but that I find their goals and actions abhorrent. I don’t feel the need to add that final qualification to MrBeast’s goals and actions.
        talldatethrow 2y ago