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> can't deny the success I don’t disagree that there is some value in this knowledge. But success has different definitions. I do not consider Jimmy successfu

by caseyy 2y ago

> can't deny the success I don’t disagree that there is some value in this knowledge. But success has different definitions. I do not consider Jimmy successful. In relation to classical virtues, he hasn’t truly lived up to many. That would be success to me. He is popular and his business is rich. Some people consider that success, but not all. Not even in business and start-up circles. Edit: some people below (quite remarkably) miss the point despite me having spelled it out — “success has different definitions”. Somehow they have convinced themselves I said that Jimmy has my definition of success, or that he is not successful by his own definition. I think everyone who wants to understand what I am saying does. If not, I repeat one more time — there is more than one way to measure success. Which is correct or not correct — I do not prescribe. That is all :)

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paulcole 2y ago
> But success has different definitions. Yes, except doesn’t Mr. Beast define the kind of success he’s aiming for in the PDF? > I do not consider Jimmy successful. By the definition he set for success or the one you made up?
- talldatethrow 2y ago
  Probably by more common definitions held by people OP respects... For example, millions of people would not call him a success because he doesn't have a family with children (although Mr beast has definitely implied he wants one in the future). Many millions more would say that he's not a success because he doesn't do anything that's a net positive for society, instead he's mostly a drain on people's time and mental capacity.
  - paulcole 2y ago
    Uh, ok? If you're going to debate why this guy is/is not a success we can all make up our own little definitions and go on all day. But he defined his goals in this PDF and it seems like he's reaching/making progress towards those goals.
    - talldatethrow 2y ago
      People DO make up their definitions, and put together they create a communities standards of success and then eventually a societies. Would you say a man that spends 40 years working 60 hours a week, alienating all friends and neighbors til he has no friends or anyone that respects him, no kids, no partner, and a group on ex employees that hate him for squeezing them to work under market value? Is he a success just because he accumulated 3x the capital he set out to when he started his business at 20 years old? Then dies suddenly alone, only for everyone that met him to chuckle and move on with their day? Would that be a success by most people's standards? Does it even matter if it's a success by one person's standards? Are the school shooters a success because they accomplish their goals before death?
      - paulcole 2y ago
        > Would you say a man that spends 40 years working 60 hours a week, alienating all friends and neighbors til he has no friends or anyone that respects him, no kids, no partner, and a group on ex employees that hate him for squeezing them to work under market value? If you accept a job that’s your market value. If you think you’re worth more, get a higher paying job. Or don’t and pretend that you were squeezed into working for under market value. The guy employed people for 40 years. Not the worst thing in the world. Not everybody values the same stuff. Some people like what other people call work. Some people don’t need friends. > Is he a success just because he accumulated 3x the capital he set out to when he started his business at 20 years old? If at 20 years old he said his goal was to accumulate 3x the capital before he dies, then I couldn’t argue that by his definition of success, he succeeded. Hopefully he doesn’t care if I think he’s a success. > Then dies suddenly alone We all die suddenly and alone. We’re alive and then we’re dead. Nobody comes with us. > Would that be a success by most people's standards? Who cares what most people think?
        talldatethrow 2y ago
        If no one cared what other people thought, why are we even talking on here. Also, how would you apply your logic to the school shooter question?
simonw 2y ago
In this profile from 2022 Jimmy said his goal was to become the number one YouTube channel: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/mrbeast-youtube-cover-story-interview-1334604/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/mrbeas... According to this Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-subscribed_YouTube_channels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-subscribed_YouTub... he finally achieved that goal on June 2, 2024. So definitely successful by his own chosen metric.
daedrdev 2y ago
> I do not consider Jimmy successful. In relation to classical virtues, he hasn’t truly lived up to many. That would be success to me. He was a tiny YouTuber 6 years ago with under a million subscribers, and has become the biggest despite tens of thousands of competitors who were better placed than him. The difference between just a few short years ago and now is what impresses me and makes me consider him a success, he has gone from a one man show counting numbers in his room to a million to the biggest on the platform with many other ventures.
- nothercastle 2y ago
  Cutthroat competition but he cracked the formula. I think that’s success
thewicked 2y ago
Seems like a version of not counting points and giving all the kids a gold medal. It's pink and fluffy.

by caseyy 2y ago

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paulcole 2y ago

> But success has different definitions. Yes, except doesn’t Mr. Beast define the kind of success he’s aiming for in the PDF? > I do not consider Jimmy successful. By the definition he set for success or the one you made up?

talldatethrow 2y ago
Probably by more common definitions held by people OP respects... For example, millions of people would not call him a success because he doesn't have a family with children (although Mr beast has definitely implied he wants one in the future). Many millions more would say that he's not a success because he doesn't do anything that's a net positive for society, instead he's mostly a drain on people's time and mental capacity.
- paulcole 2y ago
  Uh, ok? If you're going to debate why this guy is/is not a success we can all make up our own little definitions and go on all day. But he defined his goals in this PDF and it seems like he's reaching/making progress towards those goals.
  - talldatethrow 2y ago
    People DO make up their definitions, and put together they create a communities standards of success and then eventually a societies. Would you say a man that spends 40 years working 60 hours a week, alienating all friends and neighbors til he has no friends or anyone that respects him, no kids, no partner, and a group on ex employees that hate him for squeezing them to work under market value? Is he a success just because he accumulated 3x the capital he set out to when he started his business at 20 years old? Then dies suddenly alone, only for everyone that met him to chuckle and move on with their day? Would that be a success by most people's standards? Does it even matter if it's a success by one person's standards? Are the school shooters a success because they accomplish their goals before death?
    - paulcole 2y ago
      > Would you say a man that spends 40 years working 60 hours a week, alienating all friends and neighbors til he has no friends or anyone that respects him, no kids, no partner, and a group on ex employees that hate him for squeezing them to work under market value? If you accept a job that’s your market value. If you think you’re worth more, get a higher paying job. Or don’t and pretend that you were squeezed into working for under market value. The guy employed people for 40 years. Not the worst thing in the world. Not everybody values the same stuff. Some people like what other people call work. Some people don’t need friends. > Is he a success just because he accumulated 3x the capital he set out to when he started his business at 20 years old? If at 20 years old he said his goal was to accumulate 3x the capital before he dies, then I couldn’t argue that by his definition of success, he succeeded. Hopefully he doesn’t care if I think he’s a success. > Then dies suddenly alone We all die suddenly and alone. We’re alive and then we’re dead. Nobody comes with us. > Would that be a success by most people's standards? Who cares what most people think?
      - talldatethrow 2y ago
        If no one cared what other people thought, why are we even talking on here. Also, how would you apply your logic to the school shooter question?

simonw 2y ago

In this profile from 2022 Jimmy said his goal was to become the number one YouTube channel: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/mrbeast-youtube-cover-story-interview-1334604/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/mrbeas... According to this Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-subscribed_YouTube_channels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-subscribed_YouTub... he finally achieved that goal on June 2, 2024. So definitely successful by his own chosen metric.

daedrdev 2y ago

> I do not consider Jimmy successful. In relation to classical virtues, he hasn’t truly lived up to many. That would be success to me. He was a tiny YouTuber 6 years ago with under a million subscribers, and has become the biggest despite tens of thousands of competitors who were better placed than him. The difference between just a few short years ago and now is what impresses me and makes me consider him a success, he has gone from a one man show counting numbers in his room to a million to the biggest on the platform with many other ventures.

nothercastle 2y ago
Cutthroat competition but he cracked the formula. I think that’s success

thewicked 2y ago

Seems like a version of not counting points and giving all the kids a gold medal. It's pink and fluffy.