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While less dangerous than a US SWATting event, it is still absurd that he was taken away for questioning. They could have made a reasonable observation of the

While less dangerous than a US SWATting event, it is still absurd that he was taken away for questioning. They could have made a reasonable observation of the scenario and then given him an invitation to come to the station at a given time the next day. Taking someone in shouldn’t happen unless there’s an obvious crime and/or the target had a police record which would suggest they were a threat or were likely to flee instead of coming for an interview the following day.

dylan604 2y ago
Talking about an amazing alibi though. Just play back the live stream and see it wasn't me. If only Shaggy had that kind of alibi.
- jsheard 2y ago
  Last year someone actually tried staging a livestream while they were committing a murder, to manufacture an alibi. It didn't work. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64494847 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64494847
airhangerf15 2y ago
> While less dangerous than a US SWATting event How? Unlike what the news would have you believe, police don't just start shooting willy nilly in America, and cops in his country do have firearms. Most people who get killed in US SWAT operations do so because they open fire on the cops. The best example is the Breonna Taylor. The media blatantly lied saying her and her partner were in bed initially. In reality, they announced, and had a pretty complex warrant based off of evidenced gathered from prison communications. Even the Wikipedia page is still biased saying her boyfriend fired a "warning shot" mistaking the police for intruders.
- more_corn 2y ago
  The cops in the US absolutely do start shooting willy nilly. There are tons of stories of cops raiding the wrong house, shooting homeowners, their dogs. Police regularly use excessive force, shoot without sufficient reason, kill for no reason. If you think otherwise you’re not paying attention or you’re paying attention in an extremely selective way. Every swatting should be treated like it could have ended in a death.
- consteval 2y ago
  Your information on Breonna is incorrect. The police did not announce themselves. Breonna and her boyfriend WERE in bed and woken up. Neither Breonna nor her boyfriend committed any crimes - the warrant was based off of out-of-date information. The warrant should've never been issued, but because it was issued, the police decided to perform a no-knock warrant. That's not just a name, that's literally what they do. Her boyfriend DID fire a warning shot, as his house was broken into in the middle of the night. Any gun owner would in that situation, you included. Breonna was unfortunately shot and killed while she was in bed (bullets go through walls).
  - airhangerf15 2y ago
    > Neither Breonna nor her boyfriend committed any crimes What?! Have you read the warrant?! Dude was literally talking on a prison phone with someone in jail about their drug operation! https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Breonna-Taylor-search-warrants.pdf https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Breonna-Taylor... Officer Tatum has debunked a lot of your claims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GoOFJF0PpU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GoOFJF0PpU I really hate Barnes, but even he did a good analysis on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xugKbUNUz0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xugKbUNUz0 Breonna Taylor was likely involved in the drug operations. There were drugs and money seen ins stakeouts funneling through that very house. Had any drugs or money not been moved out, we would even be having this conversation. I personally know a woman who did Grubhub/Doordash in Louisville. No one liked delivering to that particular neighborhood. She's a school teacher and said everyone in that city knew how bad that part of town is. Stop spreading clear and blatant lies!
    - consteval 2y ago
      Sorry, none of this is true. The search warrants were incorrect as I've already stated - using the search warrants as evidence is not evidence. Using an officer's word, or rather some random YouTuber's interpretation of their word, is also not evidence. If all the reputable sources are saying one thing, but fringe conservative minds on YouTube are saying another, it might be time to reconsider the validity of your position. > likely involved You're basing this on nothing, and "likely" means nothing to me. > funneling through that very house Wrong house, wrong warrant > Had any drugs or money not been moved out, we would even be having this conversation. Incorrect. Even if there were criminals present (there weren't), the punishment of crime is due process. Not state sanctioned execution. This is a human rights violation no matter how you cut it or how terrible you want to think the victims are. And that's really the whole crux and the crux of a lot of issues surrounding police brutality. It doesn't matter if there were drugs in this house at one point. It doesn't matter if Floyd was on fentanyl. It doesn't matter if Floyd really did counterfeit a twenty. It doesn't matter if Daniel Shaver really did have a bb gun. None of those have a punishment of public execution. Police brutality is brutality regardless of if the victims are criminals or not, and regardless of the criminals' race. Or their neighborhood. Or what your buddies in Louisville think of them.

dylan604 2y ago

Talking about an amazing alibi though. Just play back the live stream and see it wasn't me. If only Shaggy had that kind of alibi.

jsheard 2y ago
Last year someone actually tried staging a livestream while they were committing a murder, to manufacture an alibi. It didn't work. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64494847 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64494847

airhangerf15 2y ago

> While less dangerous than a US SWATting event How? Unlike what the news would have you believe, police don't just start shooting willy nilly in America, and cops in his country do have firearms. Most people who get killed in US SWAT operations do so because they open fire on the cops. The best example is the Breonna Taylor. The media blatantly lied saying her and her partner were in bed initially. In reality, they announced, and had a pretty complex warrant based off of evidenced gathered from prison communications. Even the Wikipedia page is still biased saying her boyfriend fired a "warning shot" mistaking the police for intruders.

more_corn 2y ago
The cops in the US absolutely do start shooting willy nilly. There are tons of stories of cops raiding the wrong house, shooting homeowners, their dogs. Police regularly use excessive force, shoot without sufficient reason, kill for no reason. If you think otherwise you’re not paying attention or you’re paying attention in an extremely selective way. Every swatting should be treated like it could have ended in a death.
consteval 2y ago
Your information on Breonna is incorrect. The police did not announce themselves. Breonna and her boyfriend WERE in bed and woken up. Neither Breonna nor her boyfriend committed any crimes - the warrant was based off of out-of-date information. The warrant should've never been issued, but because it was issued, the police decided to perform a no-knock warrant. That's not just a name, that's literally what they do. Her boyfriend DID fire a warning shot, as his house was broken into in the middle of the night. Any gun owner would in that situation, you included. Breonna was unfortunately shot and killed while she was in bed (bullets go through walls).
- airhangerf15 2y ago
  > Neither Breonna nor her boyfriend committed any crimes What?! Have you read the warrant?! Dude was literally talking on a prison phone with someone in jail about their drug operation! https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Breonna-Taylor-search-warrants.pdf https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Breonna-Taylor... Officer Tatum has debunked a lot of your claims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GoOFJF0PpU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GoOFJF0PpU I really hate Barnes, but even he did a good analysis on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xugKbUNUz0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xugKbUNUz0 Breonna Taylor was likely involved in the drug operations. There were drugs and money seen ins stakeouts funneling through that very house. Had any drugs or money not been moved out, we would even be having this conversation. I personally know a woman who did Grubhub/Doordash in Louisville. No one liked delivering to that particular neighborhood. She's a school teacher and said everyone in that city knew how bad that part of town is. Stop spreading clear and blatant lies!
  - consteval 2y ago
    Sorry, none of this is true. The search warrants were incorrect as I've already stated - using the search warrants as evidence is not evidence. Using an officer's word, or rather some random YouTuber's interpretation of their word, is also not evidence. If all the reputable sources are saying one thing, but fringe conservative minds on YouTube are saying another, it might be time to reconsider the validity of your position. > likely involved You're basing this on nothing, and "likely" means nothing to me. > funneling through that very house Wrong house, wrong warrant > Had any drugs or money not been moved out, we would even be having this conversation. Incorrect. Even if there were criminals present (there weren't), the punishment of crime is due process. Not state sanctioned execution. This is a human rights violation no matter how you cut it or how terrible you want to think the victims are. And that's really the whole crux and the crux of a lot of issues surrounding police brutality. It doesn't matter if there were drugs in this house at one point. It doesn't matter if Floyd was on fentanyl. It doesn't matter if Floyd really did counterfeit a twenty. It doesn't matter if Daniel Shaver really did have a bb gun. None of those have a punishment of public execution. Police brutality is brutality regardless of if the victims are criminals or not, and regardless of the criminals' race. Or their neighborhood. Or what your buddies in Louisville think of them.