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I like your perspective but I don’t think liking coffee is the right comparison. It’s closer to reading a manual for a successful casino, where a lot of it is a

I like your perspective but I don’t think liking coffee is the right comparison. It’s closer to reading a manual for a successful casino, where a lot of it is about manipulation rather than creating value. Obviously Mr. Beast isn’t as far out ethically as casinos, but IMO more in that direction than coffee tea preferences.

ninetyninenine 2y ago
Both perspectives are somewhat true. Mr. Beast is building the best YouTube videos. It is a quality product and it is entertainment. It’s garbage for education or self improvement but it’s legit for entertainment and you can’t dismiss entertainment as a net bad for the world, not completely. You both are right and wrong in a way. Parent poster who only had negative things to say is totally out of touch.
- sverhagen 2y ago
  "Best" and "quality product" by a certain metric, ka-ching. I assume that the leaked PDF lays out what the metrics are that matter to them, but the article kinda skipped over how it's a choice what to consider "best". There's a lot of "quality" videos on YouTube by different metrics than MrBeast videos, that I enjoy watching quite a bit more.
- latexr 2y ago
  > Mr. Beast is building the best YouTube videos. It is a quality product and it is entertainment. Hard disagree. Is he making the most profitable, most clicked, or most viral videos? Maybe. That’s objectively quantifiable and I’ll give you that. But “best” is very subjective. I wouldn’t give a rat’s ass if Mr Beast stopped making videos and deleted his account today. His videos are the audiovisual equivalent of junk food: not good for you; negatively addictive; and big shady business. Give me Folding Ideas any day. Now those are some quality and entertaining videos. The kind I save up to savour with some wine. That’s my definition of best. Yours will differ, but that’s the point. https://www.youtube.com/@FoldingIdeas https://www.youtube.com/@FoldingIdeas
  - ninetyninenine 2y ago
    Most Entertainment is the equivalent of junk food. Wine is toxic for your health. You think Mr. Beast is junk food based on an opinion while wine is scientifically proven to be garbage for your body. Yet here you are watching educational videos while downing liquid poison. You do more damage to yourself than watching a Mr. Beast video and not drinking wine. The difference between you and people who watch Mr. Beast is raw snobbery. Sheesh. If you don’t understand why someone would watch a video purely for mindless entertainment and no educational value I don’t think you understand humans or how humans work.
    - latexr 2y ago
      You don’t need to be defensive, I wasn’t attacking you. I don’t think you have understood my comment in the slightest but I don’t wish to cause you further distress as you seem to have become quite irate. I will tell you that, like most people, I’m not above eating junk food on occasion. Also, I was upfront that I watch Folding Ideas videos for the entertainment. Savouring and entertainment aren’t mutually exclusive. I urge you to attempt to engage with arguments as they are made, not with a version created in your head that vilifies the other person. Finally, I wish you a calm and peaceful week, with no conflicts and all the YouTube videos you wish to gorge yourself upon, as long as the habit isn’t detrimental to you or others in any way.
      - ninetyninenine 2y ago
        Not defensive. Just telling you my point of view, albeit passionately. I wish you a peaceful week too!
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      - slt2021 2y ago
        your personal opinion doesn't matter at MrBest's scale and doesnt matter to this discussion at all, because you are a single person, but YouTube has few hundred million/billion other users and each of their individual opinion weights the same weight as yours. basically what I am trying to say is you are not the median Youtube viewer
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CPLX 2y ago
> Obviously Mr. Beast isn’t as far out ethically as casinos That’s not obvious
- cmcaleer 2y ago
  Casinos are incredibly exploitative not only to staff (even relatively 'above board' companies like Evolution have awful labor records in poor Eastern European countries), but they thrive out of milking their customers in incredibly manipulative, tactical ways to bleed them as slowly and effectively as possible. Tactics such as returning offers are specifically made to encourage people to pick up gambling addictions. Regulations are skirted by companies like Stake, allowing customers to skirt restrictions easily with a VPN and lax KYC. Their massive presence in sports as sponsors help them advertise to not just adults but children who engage with sports as well, a fact that I'm sure these operators love. While Mr Beast might use tactics that could be construed as similar, or tries to hit KPI which are similar to those used by casinos, I'm quite sure that Mr Beast video addictions do not lead to thousands of suicides a year, and that fact alone leads me to think that it is in fact obvious that Mr Beast is not as far out ethically as casinos. Get real.
worstspotgain 2y ago
A casino is the scummiest business this side of drug cartels and real estate. Edgy reality TV is more in the ballpark.

ninetyninenine 2y ago

Both perspectives are somewhat true. Mr. Beast is building the best YouTube videos. It is a quality product and it is entertainment. It’s garbage for education or self improvement but it’s legit for entertainment and you can’t dismiss entertainment as a net bad for the world, not completely. You both are right and wrong in a way. Parent poster who only had negative things to say is totally out of touch.

sverhagen 2y ago
"Best" and "quality product" by a certain metric, ka-ching. I assume that the leaked PDF lays out what the metrics are that matter to them, but the article kinda skipped over how it's a choice what to consider "best". There's a lot of "quality" videos on YouTube by different metrics than MrBeast videos, that I enjoy watching quite a bit more.
latexr 2y ago
> Mr. Beast is building the best YouTube videos. It is a quality product and it is entertainment. Hard disagree. Is he making the most profitable, most clicked, or most viral videos? Maybe. That’s objectively quantifiable and I’ll give you that. But “best” is very subjective. I wouldn’t give a rat’s ass if Mr Beast stopped making videos and deleted his account today. His videos are the audiovisual equivalent of junk food: not good for you; negatively addictive; and big shady business. Give me Folding Ideas any day. Now those are some quality and entertaining videos. The kind I save up to savour with some wine. That’s my definition of best. Yours will differ, but that’s the point. https://www.youtube.com/@FoldingIdeas https://www.youtube.com/@FoldingIdeas
- ninetyninenine 2y ago
  Most Entertainment is the equivalent of junk food. Wine is toxic for your health. You think Mr. Beast is junk food based on an opinion while wine is scientifically proven to be garbage for your body. Yet here you are watching educational videos while downing liquid poison. You do more damage to yourself than watching a Mr. Beast video and not drinking wine. The difference between you and people who watch Mr. Beast is raw snobbery. Sheesh. If you don’t understand why someone would watch a video purely for mindless entertainment and no educational value I don’t think you understand humans or how humans work.
  - latexr 2y ago
    You don’t need to be defensive, I wasn’t attacking you. I don’t think you have understood my comment in the slightest but I don’t wish to cause you further distress as you seem to have become quite irate. I will tell you that, like most people, I’m not above eating junk food on occasion. Also, I was upfront that I watch Folding Ideas videos for the entertainment. Savouring and entertainment aren’t mutually exclusive. I urge you to attempt to engage with arguments as they are made, not with a version created in your head that vilifies the other person. Finally, I wish you a calm and peaceful week, with no conflicts and all the YouTube videos you wish to gorge yourself upon, as long as the habit isn’t detrimental to you or others in any way.
    - ninetyninenine 2y ago
      Not defensive. Just telling you my point of view, albeit passionately. I wish you a peaceful week too!
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    - slt2021 2y ago
      your personal opinion doesn't matter at MrBest's scale and doesnt matter to this discussion at all, because you are a single person, but YouTube has few hundred million/billion other users and each of their individual opinion weights the same weight as yours. basically what I am trying to say is you are not the median Youtube viewer

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CPLX 2y ago

> Obviously Mr. Beast isn’t as far out ethically as casinos That’s not obvious

cmcaleer 2y ago
Casinos are incredibly exploitative not only to staff (even relatively 'above board' companies like Evolution have awful labor records in poor Eastern European countries), but they thrive out of milking their customers in incredibly manipulative, tactical ways to bleed them as slowly and effectively as possible. Tactics such as returning offers are specifically made to encourage people to pick up gambling addictions. Regulations are skirted by companies like Stake, allowing customers to skirt restrictions easily with a VPN and lax KYC. Their massive presence in sports as sponsors help them advertise to not just adults but children who engage with sports as well, a fact that I'm sure these operators love. While Mr Beast might use tactics that could be construed as similar, or tries to hit KPI which are similar to those used by casinos, I'm quite sure that Mr Beast video addictions do not lead to thousands of suicides a year, and that fact alone leads me to think that it is in fact obvious that Mr Beast is not as far out ethically as casinos. Get real.

worstspotgain 2y ago

A casino is the scummiest business this side of drug cartels and real estate. Edgy reality TV is more in the ballpark.