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Well, there isn't just one network. There are many local area networks, corporate wide area networks, the academic fiber Internet2 (https://internet2.edu/networ
by solardev 2y ago
Well, there isn't just one network. There are many local area networks, corporate wide area networks, the academic fiber Internet2 (https://internet2.edu/network/ https://internet2.edu/network/), the cell phone networks, the plain old telephone service networks, different radio networks, etc.
There are often interconnects between some of them, and some of them do go over the public internet part of the time, but there are also parts of them that aren't accessible from the public internet.
"The" internet is a network of networks – by definition, it is the inter-network net that connects a bunch of other networks together into one interconnected mass. We have it that way because it's useful. Before the internet was popular, having small private networks that you'd connect to over the phone or T1 was common, but people naturally found it useful to be able to connect to others all around the world.
The second half of your question is more talking about applications (or protocols, if you prefer) over that network than the network itself. It's like how our roads and networks are structured... there's an interstate network of highways that connects different cities and states together, but each state can also manage its own smaller highways, and each county or city might have even smaller local roads, and of course some businesses and communities will have their own private roads that the public can't access. But through that shared road network, you can transport everything from passengers to food to goods, on everything from a semi-trucks to bicycles.
Similarly, even if we limit it to just the public internet, it's a collection of a smaller interconnected networks, and different applications and protocols can go over that shared network to do different things:
- Gopher is still around if you want a text-only network, or you can look for the odd surviving Usenet/IRC server.
- Trustworthy ecommerce: Well, that's more a market incentives & regulations question than a network one. There's no magical technology solution to ensure someone won't rip you off. But you can already buy from reputable dealers (i.e. not shady third-party Amazon vendors) and you'll probably be fine.
- There are various semi-private communities that form de facto subnets even though they're transported over the bigger internet, things like every separate blockchain, or Freenet/Hyphanet, TOR sites, or even just Discord, Whatsapp, Slack, Line, etc.
At the end of the day, it's really expensive to drag fiber across the ocean floors or launch satellites, and it would be crazy if every business, organization, and household had to run their own cables. Instead, they can all share that basic infrastructure, but have a lot of freedom as to how they use it (subject to local laws and international agreements, I guess, or else bypassing them with encryption & steganography).
- nwhnwh 2y agoBy different network, I meant different protocols basically that will serve the puropse of the network. I don't mean connecting some nodes together using the current internet. So imagine a new service provider, you go and subscribe, and login to the network, you can't receive anything other than text. And the domains are all available at the begining, so no google no microsoft, etc. Except if you allow internetwork domains.
- solardev 2y agoYou can start a service like that and put it on the existing internet if you want. You can bypass DNS and make your own routing if you want. Onion and Freenet and blockchains and DHTs and content addressable systems work similarly. But nobody uses them because they're such a hassle. Again, what you're describing is more an application or protocol, not a network necessarily. You can build it all in software on top of the existing internet.
- nwhnwh 2y agoCan you recommend a book that could explain these topics especially the protocols in a good way? I hated network classes in college.
- solardev 2y agoSorry, networking isn't my specialization, and I never read a book on those topics. (I know vaguely what they are and a little about how they work, but not enough to reimplement any of them on my own.) But many of those projects are open-source, so you can see the discussions (and code) about how they were built. IMHO: I think maybe you're overthinking this a bit though...? If your end goal is just to have a place where people discuss primarily (or exclusively) over text, then all you really need is a web app that enforces that, like HN does. You can probably find some HN clone or reddit clone software and just use that, or Discourse (the forum, not Discord the chat app), and remove any multimedia functionality they might have. Or host your own IRC or Usenet server and don't allow images. I don't think this is really a technical issue to solve, but a cultural one. Such places aren't common/popular because "I never want to see an image" isn't a big priority to most people. It'll be hard to get traction on such a forum, no matter how you build it under the hood.