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Since Waymo is very heavily California-biased at this point, a possible explanation for this, and one I think is responsible for a lot of rear-end collisions al
by harmmonica 2y ago
Since Waymo is very heavily California-biased at this point, a possible explanation for this, and one I think is responsible for a lot of rear-end collisions all across the world, is the "California roll." For those unfamiliar, in California (and, again, almost everywhere) it's super typical for people to approach a stop sign and not actually come to a complete stop. Instead, the driver slows down and then continues to "roll" through the stop. Many drivers here in CA expect the driver in front of them to do the California roll and so their calculation of when they will reach the actual stop sign/line will be wrong if they assume the car in front of them will roll.
I've said this on here many times before, but one of the reasons I love riding in Waymos is because they (in my experience) obey all traffic laws to the letter of the law. So if there's a stop sign, they all stop.
Would love to know the specifics of these rear-end collisions because I'd bet that they're either California rolls at stop signs or doing the same roll behavior when turning right on red traffic lights.
- AStonesThrow 2y agoThey obey laws on the open road, but their parking decisions are ATROCIOUS around here. Taxi drivers always annoyed me by deliberately parking badly or even illegally, and Waymo follows suit. Red curbs, unsafe egress, blocking off three spaces outside my home, too far to walk, business that hates me. Sometimes I contact Support because there's no other way to move the thing when your trip's ended.
- baggy_trough 2y agoSuper typical behavior like this should be legalized. It is super typical because it is safe and efficient.
- edward28 2y agoOr just replace useless stop signs with give ways.
- ghaff 2y agoAnd now you're normalizing not really mostly stopping and taking a good look before proceeding--which is probably OK when merging but probably not at a lot of cross-traffic stops.
- potato3732842 2y agoPutting stops in places they needn't be trains people to ignore them too.
- hilux 2y agoI mostly see STOP signs at intersections. Those serve a purpose. Where are you finding these unnecessary STOP signs?
- ghaff 2y agoWell, and a lot of the time you have to creep out to peek around various obstructions so, in practice, there really isn't a hard stop line because you need to go a bit further to see around that tree that hasn't been trimmed.
- thirdtruck 2y agoOh stars no. Xe heart skips a beat every time a driver goes right back the stop sign and the white line, especially when they practically put their nose in the traffic lane. We put far, far too many entrances and exits directly into traffic here in the US. The behavior to normalize should be directing folks onto back roads with much saner speed limits.
- hilux 2y agoYou believe that not stopping at STOP signs is safe?
- baggy_trough 2y agoYes, that is obviously the case, which is why almost everyone does it.
- fallingfrog 2y agoFunny, in New England we call this a “New Jersey stop”.