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I appreciate that even a young child could stand in front of the grill and be visible. Well done.

analog31 2y ago
I was going to comment that these trucks could be much less dangerous in collisions with pedestrians and cyclists, without sacrificing utility. It could encourage better design standards for things like pickup trucks, SUVs, and minivans.
- QuarterReptile 2y ago
  >pickup trucks, SUVs, and minivans. Are minivans really comparable to SUVs and pickup trucks in this problem? They never give off the "angry wall of death" vibe to me, like the other two...
  - Sakos 2y ago
    Seems to be coming from this https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/suvs-other-large-vehicles-often-hit-pedestrians-while-turning https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/suvs-other-large-vehicles-o... > At intersections, the odds that a crash that killed a crossing pedestrian involved a left turn by the vehicle versus no turn were about twice as high for SUVs, nearly 3 times as high for vans and minivans and nearly 4 times as high for pickups as they were for cars. The odds that a crash that killed a crossing pedestrian involved a right turn by the vehicle were also 89 percent higher for pickups and 63 percent higher for SUVs than for cars. Such turning crashes accounted for more than 900 of around 5,800 fatal pedestrian crashes at or near U.S. intersections during 2014-18.
- l1tany11 2y ago
  Pickup truck front end design has nothing to do with this. It’s entirely based on Tonka Truck design principles I.e. bigger and boxier and higher is more tough! Tough = good! It’s the same reason glove sizing at Home Depot starts at XL and goes up from there. In reality pickup trucks are kind of a joke. For instance the 2023 Toyota Tacoma, often cited as being “good” cause it’s smaller, has worse gas mileage than an f-150 and has a max payload of 900lbs. You know what else has a max payload of 900lbs? A sedan. Ford actually got rid of the heavy duty package from the f-150 (which increased the max payload to around 3,000lbs from about 1500) because they said people weren’t buying it… You can’t fill the bed of an F-150 with sand, with plywood, with cement bags, with lots of building materials. You can easily overload it.
  - CalRobert 2y ago
    They're comically stupid https://deadlinedetroit.com/articles/29959/detroit_s_joe_louis_fist_inspired_gm_s_homicidal_sierra_truck https://deadlinedetroit.com/articles/29959/detroit_s_joe_lou... ... remember wanting it to make it feel very locomotive… my first week in Detroit I was driving through downtown and seeing the fist of Joe Louis, and remember thinking that’s what this truck should look like – a massive fist moving through the air.” ... we spent a lot of time making sure that when you stand in front of this thing it looks like it’s going to come get you. It’s got that pissed-off feel, but not in a boyish way, still looking mature. It just had to have that imposing look,” explained the GM designer.
  - quesera 2y ago
    > glove sizing at Home Depot starts at XL and goes up from there This is demonstrably untrue, FWIW. I have in front of me two bundles of gloves, recently purchased at Home Depot, one marked M and one marked L. > * You can’t fill the bed of an F-150 with sand, with plywood, with cement bags, with lots of building materials* You appear to be suggesting that truck bed sizes should be volumetrically limited by the densest and tightest-packing material available for general sale. That's probably sand or gravel. Maybe rebar. Doesn't make sense though.

I was going to comment that these trucks could be much less dangerous in collisions with pedestrians and cyclists, without sacrificing utility. It could encourage better design standards for things like pickup trucks, SUVs, and minivans.

QuarterReptile 2y ago
>pickup trucks, SUVs, and minivans. Are minivans really comparable to SUVs and pickup trucks in this problem? They never give off the "angry wall of death" vibe to me, like the other two...
- Sakos 2y ago
  Seems to be coming from this https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/suvs-other-large-vehicles-often-hit-pedestrians-while-turning https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/suvs-other-large-vehicles-o... > At intersections, the odds that a crash that killed a crossing pedestrian involved a left turn by the vehicle versus no turn were about twice as high for SUVs, nearly 3 times as high for vans and minivans and nearly 4 times as high for pickups as they were for cars. The odds that a crash that killed a crossing pedestrian involved a right turn by the vehicle were also 89 percent higher for pickups and 63 percent higher for SUVs than for cars. Such turning crashes accounted for more than 900 of around 5,800 fatal pedestrian crashes at or near U.S. intersections during 2014-18.
l1tany11 2y ago
Pickup truck front end design has nothing to do with this. It’s entirely based on Tonka Truck design principles I.e. bigger and boxier and higher is more tough! Tough = good! It’s the same reason glove sizing at Home Depot starts at XL and goes up from there. In reality pickup trucks are kind of a joke. For instance the 2023 Toyota Tacoma, often cited as being “good” cause it’s smaller, has worse gas mileage than an f-150 and has a max payload of 900lbs. You know what else has a max payload of 900lbs? A sedan. Ford actually got rid of the heavy duty package from the f-150 (which increased the max payload to around 3,000lbs from about 1500) because they said people weren’t buying it… You can’t fill the bed of an F-150 with sand, with plywood, with cement bags, with lots of building materials. You can easily overload it.
- CalRobert 2y ago
  They're comically stupid https://deadlinedetroit.com/articles/29959/detroit_s_joe_louis_fist_inspired_gm_s_homicidal_sierra_truck https://deadlinedetroit.com/articles/29959/detroit_s_joe_lou... ... remember wanting it to make it feel very locomotive… my first week in Detroit I was driving through downtown and seeing the fist of Joe Louis, and remember thinking that’s what this truck should look like – a massive fist moving through the air.” ... we spent a lot of time making sure that when you stand in front of this thing it looks like it’s going to come get you. It’s got that pissed-off feel, but not in a boyish way, still looking mature. It just had to have that imposing look,” explained the GM designer.
- quesera 2y ago
  > glove sizing at Home Depot starts at XL and goes up from there This is demonstrably untrue, FWIW. I have in front of me two bundles of gloves, recently purchased at Home Depot, one marked M and one marked L. > * You can’t fill the bed of an F-150 with sand, with plywood, with cement bags, with lots of building materials* You appear to be suggesting that truck bed sizes should be volumetrically limited by the densest and tightest-packing material available for general sale. That's probably sand or gravel. Maybe rebar. Doesn't make sense though.