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With the ever increasing cost (both financially and climate) of gasoline, it seems it would pay off in the long-term A friend's Tesla they once worked out cost

With the ever increasing cost (both financially and climate) of gasoline, it seems it would pay off in the long-term A friend's Tesla they once worked out costs about "$1 per gallon of gas" equivalent. Meanwhile gas in Seattle is about $4-$5 per gallon

lotsofpulp 2y ago
Depends on driving habits and price of electricity and gas. In Washington state, electricity is cheaper compared to most of the US, and gas is among the most expensive compared to most of the US. For less than ~10k miles per year, the higher up front cost of an electric vehicle and the greater depreciation due to eventual battery replacement might make a hybrid gas vehicle still cheaper per mile. But for high mileage, high frequency of stop and go driving, I imagine all electric is cheapest?
- adgjlsfhk1 2y ago
  the battery depreciation is per mile, so I don't think the mileage per year will factor into it heavily.
  - quailfarmer 2y ago
    The published ratings of battery depreciation are per-mile, because there’s not really any other way to straightforwardly measure it, but the chemistry of battery degradation is very complex, and factors like number of high-current heating cycles and depth of discharge definitely matter.
- mgerdts 2y ago
  > might make a hybrid gas vehicle still cheaper per mile I agree. What is unconscionable is deploying 10s of thousands of vehicles that spend every day of operation accelerating rather quickly then coming to a full stop within a few seconds without using regenerative braking.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Electric is likely cheapest considering duty cycle and fuel usage, and the battery should not need to be replaced for hundreds of thousands of miles, at which point we will have better batteries that last even longer and are cheaper. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41409422 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41409422 https://petapixel.com/2024/08/30/scientists-discovered-a-way-to-make-your-batteries-survive-way-longer/ https://petapixel.com/2024/08/30/scientists-discovered-a-way... https://www.cell.com/joule/abstract/S2542-4351(24)00353-2 https://www.cell.com/joule/abstract/S2542-4351(24)00353-2
- laweijfmvo 2y ago
  no one is dumping their EV any sooner than an eqivalent ICE due to battery replacement.
Meph504 2y ago
the problem is we aren't comparing person vehicles, you have to consider these vehicles are estimated to need a 20+ year life span which mean replacing the batteries at least once, most likely twice. electric vehicle metrics are also not based on carrying a heavy load, at start and stop distances, moving at too low a speed to really benefit from reclamation. The truth is, we have no real data to tell us how electric vehicles will fair over the expected time length with this expected work load. When you factor in the building of instructor for charging stations, and their maintenance. The initially preceded benefits may not be there.

lotsofpulp 2y ago

Depends on driving habits and price of electricity and gas. In Washington state, electricity is cheaper compared to most of the US, and gas is among the most expensive compared to most of the US. For less than ~10k miles per year, the higher up front cost of an electric vehicle and the greater depreciation due to eventual battery replacement might make a hybrid gas vehicle still cheaper per mile. But for high mileage, high frequency of stop and go driving, I imagine all electric is cheapest?

adgjlsfhk1 2y ago
the battery depreciation is per mile, so I don't think the mileage per year will factor into it heavily.
- quailfarmer 2y ago
  The published ratings of battery depreciation are per-mile, because there’s not really any other way to straightforwardly measure it, but the chemistry of battery degradation is very complex, and factors like number of high-current heating cycles and depth of discharge definitely matter.
mgerdts 2y ago
> might make a hybrid gas vehicle still cheaper per mile I agree. What is unconscionable is deploying 10s of thousands of vehicles that spend every day of operation accelerating rather quickly then coming to a full stop within a few seconds without using regenerative braking.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
Electric is likely cheapest considering duty cycle and fuel usage, and the battery should not need to be replaced for hundreds of thousands of miles, at which point we will have better batteries that last even longer and are cheaper. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41409422 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41409422 https://petapixel.com/2024/08/30/scientists-discovered-a-way-to-make-your-batteries-survive-way-longer/ https://petapixel.com/2024/08/30/scientists-discovered-a-way... https://www.cell.com/joule/abstract/S2542-4351(24)00353-2 https://www.cell.com/joule/abstract/S2542-4351(24)00353-2
laweijfmvo 2y ago
no one is dumping their EV any sooner than an eqivalent ICE due to battery replacement.

Meph504 2y ago

the problem is we aren't comparing person vehicles, you have to consider these vehicles are estimated to need a 20+ year life span which mean replacing the batteries at least once, most likely twice. electric vehicle metrics are also not based on carrying a heavy load, at start and stop distances, moving at too low a speed to really benefit from reclamation. The truth is, we have no real data to tell us how electric vehicles will fair over the expected time length with this expected work load. When you factor in the building of instructor for charging stations, and their maintenance. The initially preceded benefits may not be there.