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> not single class on how to manage a bank account, or even the most basic education about investments or actual wealth building. Not everything can be, or is

by bigstrat2003 2y ago

> not single class on how to manage a bank account, or even the most basic education about investments or actual wealth building. Not everything can be, or is supposed to be, taught by schools. Your parents should've taught you those things, and if they didn't do that they failed you.

elashri 2y ago
What if I lost my parents before they got the chance to teach me that? What if I was raised in a foster care and I never knew who my parents were? And what if my parents don't know these things themselves? There are many ways that this logic goes wrong. The school should teach that because it is very important lesson to engage in a society and be a good citizen. Edit: Sorry I meant people raised in orphanages not foster care. I wasn't in focus enough while writing this. Sorry if this caused hard feelinga for anyone
- pc86 2y ago
  This kind of argument might hold water if there were an epidemic of 12 year olds aimlessly drifting across the countryside with no adults taking care of them. But there's not, and you're not really making any point. If you are assuming a guardianship role over a child, however temporary, you have a responsibility to teach them things, full stop. I've known several foster parents over my life who would be outraged at the implicated that they are somehow lesser to the children they raised and are raising.
  - elashri 2y ago
    I think I mistyped what I mean. I meant people who were raised without parents in orphanages not foster care. Excuse my mistake and sorry if anyone felt anything negative from my comment.
  - inglor_cz 2y ago
    And yet kids from foster families tend to have massively worse outcomes than others. The US is obsessed with racial inequality, but from your life's perspective, it is better being black than being a foster kid, and no one bats an eye on the latter. Harvard won't certainly introduce any pseudoquotas on foster kids anytime soon.
ayewo 2y ago
> Your parents should've taught you those things, and if they didn't do that they failed you. Please be charitable. Your comment is unnecessarily mean. Unless you know the commenter personally, I don't think anyone can diagnose the commenter's upbringing from a single Internet comment.
- pc86 2y ago
  I don't think they're referring to GP and his/her parents specifically. Until very, very recently, it was well accepted that there were a lot of things it your parents' responsibility to teach you. Expecting parents to teach their children things is not even remotely mean or unreasonable.
  - ayewo 2y ago
    I hear you. In a situation where the person's parents are hoping their child will be the first to be university educated with the hope that their education would help them break the cycle of poverty (i.e. they are not university educated themselves or that they don't have enough high school education to be able to teach their child about the pitfalls of taking an interest-bearing loan), what happens? There's this famous saying that: "You cannot teach what you do not know".
  - rainsford 2y ago
    But objecting to schools teaching things in the event that parents don't is unreasonable because it punishes the child for their parents not living up to expectations. And on the particular topic of this thread, it punishes all of us because it's generally detrimental to society for people to take on massive un-serviceable debt due to a lack of financial education.
decremental 2y ago
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TeaBrain 2y ago
Plenty of parents do not know how to manage their finances any more than any other things that they do not know, which a school is supposed to be responsible for teaching. Financial literacy is one of the most important things that a person can learn. Society would surely benefit if classes were taught on the subject in high school.
- Amezarak 2y ago
  Financial literacy for the average person consists of two things: do not buy things you don't really need / don't spend more than you have, and compound interest. I can't speak for anyone else but I did learn what compounding interest was in school. I can't imagine a whole class being dedicated to these topics, but then people who only need to fill out a 1040 also complain they "weren't taught how to do taxes"; i.e., fill out a form with simple instructions provided. At some point we have to recognize the bar is already pretty low. There is no wizardry involved in "financial literacy" unless you start getting into advanced investment / retirement topics. It just takes a very simple attitude shift. The problem is not that most people are too uneducated to figure out that a 40k/year job doesn't pay for a 100k degree: they learned that in elementary school. The problem is they never even think about it, and if they do, they don't care. I don't even mean this in a negative way: it's a lifestyle that would stress me right into the psych ward, but millions of Americans never worry themselves about how they're going to pay for something so long as they can keep the lights on and eat this month. If they did care, they would go to cheaper schools to get the degrees; look how many of these degrees come from outrageously priced private schools when cheaper options are readily available. Look at how many people drive around 50-80k SUVs. Americans complain a lot about prices but they are not actually that price sensitive. They just assume they can do whatever they want and the system at large will just work everything out.
  - ClumsyPilot 2y ago
    > Financial literacy for the average person consists of two things: do not buy things you don't really need / don't spend more than you have Great, now take out a mortgage at a good time, predict interest rate and house prices manage your savings and plan your retirement, be self-employed for a year and correctly identify what is tax deductible and what isn’t, recognise when you are being sold a bad financial product. There are all things a middle class person needs to deal with.
rainsford 2y ago
> Your parents should've taught you those things, and if they didn't do that they failed you. The problem of financially illiterate people doesn't go away when we find someone to blame for not teaching them. Parents "should" teach a lot of things they often don't, and one of the values of schools is that they plug some of those gaps to help produce better educated members of society. Whether or not schools are the right place to teach those things is irrelevant if the end goal is for people to actually have the right knowledge to be successful.
ClumsyPilot 2y ago
> Not everything can be, or is supposed to be, taught by schools. Your parents should've taught you those things Who is the genius that decided that you need a school and government neurotics to teach a kid to play basketball, but post gold-standard factional reserve banking is best taught by parents? And who taught your parents, and their parents before? Do we go all the way back to cavemen for investment wisdom? You’ve got a bootstrap paradox. Also in 1970’s we dropped the gold standard and the whole game has changed, did someone issue free adult education to being all the parents at the time up to speed? The system is complete nonsense, you’ve got to be on copium.m to defend it. If we taught money properly maybe voters would not elect fools and frauds to run things
toomuchtodo 2y ago
"Try to be more lucky."

elashri 2y ago

What if I lost my parents before they got the chance to teach me that? What if I was raised in a foster care and I never knew who my parents were? And what if my parents don't know these things themselves? There are many ways that this logic goes wrong. The school should teach that because it is very important lesson to engage in a society and be a good citizen. Edit: Sorry I meant people raised in orphanages not foster care. I wasn't in focus enough while writing this. Sorry if this caused hard feelinga for anyone

pc86 2y ago
This kind of argument might hold water if there were an epidemic of 12 year olds aimlessly drifting across the countryside with no adults taking care of them. But there's not, and you're not really making any point. If you are assuming a guardianship role over a child, however temporary, you have a responsibility to teach them things, full stop. I've known several foster parents over my life who would be outraged at the implicated that they are somehow lesser to the children they raised and are raising.
- elashri 2y ago
  I think I mistyped what I mean. I meant people who were raised without parents in orphanages not foster care. Excuse my mistake and sorry if anyone felt anything negative from my comment.
- inglor_cz 2y ago
  And yet kids from foster families tend to have massively worse outcomes than others. The US is obsessed with racial inequality, but from your life's perspective, it is better being black than being a foster kid, and no one bats an eye on the latter. Harvard won't certainly introduce any pseudoquotas on foster kids anytime soon.

ayewo 2y ago

> Your parents should've taught you those things, and if they didn't do that they failed you. Please be charitable. Your comment is unnecessarily mean. Unless you know the commenter personally, I don't think anyone can diagnose the commenter's upbringing from a single Internet comment.

pc86 2y ago
I don't think they're referring to GP and his/her parents specifically. Until very, very recently, it was well accepted that there were a lot of things it your parents' responsibility to teach you. Expecting parents to teach their children things is not even remotely mean or unreasonable.
- ayewo 2y ago
  I hear you. In a situation where the person's parents are hoping their child will be the first to be university educated with the hope that their education would help them break the cycle of poverty (i.e. they are not university educated themselves or that they don't have enough high school education to be able to teach their child about the pitfalls of taking an interest-bearing loan), what happens? There's this famous saying that: "You cannot teach what you do not know".
- rainsford 2y ago
  But objecting to schools teaching things in the event that parents don't is unreasonable because it punishes the child for their parents not living up to expectations. And on the particular topic of this thread, it punishes all of us because it's generally detrimental to society for people to take on massive un-serviceable debt due to a lack of financial education.

decremental 2y ago

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TeaBrain 2y ago

Plenty of parents do not know how to manage their finances any more than any other things that they do not know, which a school is supposed to be responsible for teaching. Financial literacy is one of the most important things that a person can learn. Society would surely benefit if classes were taught on the subject in high school.

Amezarak 2y ago
Financial literacy for the average person consists of two things: do not buy things you don't really need / don't spend more than you have, and compound interest. I can't speak for anyone else but I did learn what compounding interest was in school. I can't imagine a whole class being dedicated to these topics, but then people who only need to fill out a 1040 also complain they "weren't taught how to do taxes"; i.e., fill out a form with simple instructions provided. At some point we have to recognize the bar is already pretty low. There is no wizardry involved in "financial literacy" unless you start getting into advanced investment / retirement topics. It just takes a very simple attitude shift. The problem is not that most people are too uneducated to figure out that a 40k/year job doesn't pay for a 100k degree: they learned that in elementary school. The problem is they never even think about it, and if they do, they don't care. I don't even mean this in a negative way: it's a lifestyle that would stress me right into the psych ward, but millions of Americans never worry themselves about how they're going to pay for something so long as they can keep the lights on and eat this month. If they did care, they would go to cheaper schools to get the degrees; look how many of these degrees come from outrageously priced private schools when cheaper options are readily available. Look at how many people drive around 50-80k SUVs. Americans complain a lot about prices but they are not actually that price sensitive. They just assume they can do whatever they want and the system at large will just work everything out.
- ClumsyPilot 2y ago
  > Financial literacy for the average person consists of two things: do not buy things you don't really need / don't spend more than you have Great, now take out a mortgage at a good time, predict interest rate and house prices manage your savings and plan your retirement, be self-employed for a year and correctly identify what is tax deductible and what isn’t, recognise when you are being sold a bad financial product. There are all things a middle class person needs to deal with.

rainsford 2y ago

> Your parents should've taught you those things, and if they didn't do that they failed you. The problem of financially illiterate people doesn't go away when we find someone to blame for not teaching them. Parents "should" teach a lot of things they often don't, and one of the values of schools is that they plug some of those gaps to help produce better educated members of society. Whether or not schools are the right place to teach those things is irrelevant if the end goal is for people to actually have the right knowledge to be successful.

ClumsyPilot 2y ago

> Not everything can be, or is supposed to be, taught by schools. Your parents should've taught you those things Who is the genius that decided that you need a school and government neurotics to teach a kid to play basketball, but post gold-standard factional reserve banking is best taught by parents? And who taught your parents, and their parents before? Do we go all the way back to cavemen for investment wisdom? You’ve got a bootstrap paradox. Also in 1970’s we dropped the gold standard and the whole game has changed, did someone issue free adult education to being all the parents at the time up to speed? The system is complete nonsense, you’ve got to be on copium.m to defend it. If we taught money properly maybe voters would not elect fools and frauds to run things

toomuchtodo 2y ago

"Try to be more lucky."