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I treat LLMs like a fallible being, the same way I treat humans. I don’t just trust output implicitly, and I accept help with tasks knowing I am taking a certai

by bicx 2y ago

I treat LLMs like a fallible being, the same way I treat humans. I don’t just trust output implicitly, and I accept help with tasks knowing I am taking a certain degree of risk. Mostly, my experience has been very positive with GPT-4o / ChatGPT and GitHub copilot with that in mind. I use each constantly throughout the day.

ulbu 2y ago
I treat them as always hallucinating and it just so happens that, by accident, they sometimes produce results that resemble intentional, considered or otherwise veritable to the human observer. The accident is sometimes of a high probability, but still an accident. Humans are similar, but we are the standard for what’s to be considered a hallucination, clinically speaking. For us, a hallucination is a cause of concern. For llms, it’s just one of all the possible results. Monkeys bashing on a typewriter. This difference is an essential one, imo.
everdrive 2y ago
One big difference is that at least some people have a healthy sense for when they may be wrong. This sort of meta-cognitive introspection is currently not possible for an LLM. For instance, let's say I asked someone "do you know the first 10 elements of the periodic table of elements?" Most people would be able to accurately say "honestly I'm not sure what comes after Helium." But an LLM will just make up some bullshit, at least some of the time.
- TheGeminon 2y ago
  There are ways to gauge the confidence of the LLM (token probabilities over the response, generating multiple outputs and checking consistency), but yeah that’s outside the LLM itself. You could feed the info back to the LLM as a status/message I suppose
  - christianqchung 2y ago
    The problem is also that the model may have a very high confidence in token probability and is still wrong, but I'm sure it could help in some cases.
  - Der_Einzige 2y ago
    The idea of hooking LLMs back up to themselves, i.e. giving them token prob information somehow or even giving them control over the settings they use to prompt themselves is AWESOME and I cannot believe that no one has seriously done this yet. I've done it in some jupyter notebooks and the results are really neat, especially since LLMs can be made with a tiny bit of extra code to generate a context "timer" that they wait before they prompt themselves to respond, creating a proper conversational agent system (i.e. not the walkie talkie systems of today) I wrote a paper that mentioned doing things like this for having LLMs act as AI art directors: https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.03716 https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.03716
- The_Colonel 2y ago
  That's indeed the biggest problem, because it limits its usefulness to questions for which you can verify the correctness. (Don't get me wrong, you can still get a lot of utility out of that, since for many problems finding the [candidate] solutions is much more difficult than verifying them) OT, but this also reminds me how much I despise bullshitters. Sometimes right, something wrong, but always confident. In the end, you can't trust what they say.
giantrobot 2y ago
> I treat LLMs like a fallible being, the same way I treat humans. The issue is LLMs are not marketed in this way. They're marketed as all knowing oracles to people that have been conditioned to just accept the first result Google gives them.

by bicx 2y ago

ulbu 2y ago

I treat them as always hallucinating and it just so happens that, by accident, they sometimes produce results that resemble intentional, considered or otherwise veritable to the human observer. The accident is sometimes of a high probability, but still an accident. Humans are similar, but we are the standard for what’s to be considered a hallucination, clinically speaking. For us, a hallucination is a cause of concern. For llms, it’s just one of all the possible results. Monkeys bashing on a typewriter. This difference is an essential one, imo.

everdrive 2y ago

One big difference is that at least some people have a healthy sense for when they may be wrong. This sort of meta-cognitive introspection is currently not possible for an LLM. For instance, let's say I asked someone "do you know the first 10 elements of the periodic table of elements?" Most people would be able to accurately say "honestly I'm not sure what comes after Helium." But an LLM will just make up some bullshit, at least some of the time.

TheGeminon 2y ago
There are ways to gauge the confidence of the LLM (token probabilities over the response, generating multiple outputs and checking consistency), but yeah that’s outside the LLM itself. You could feed the info back to the LLM as a status/message I suppose
- christianqchung 2y ago
  The problem is also that the model may have a very high confidence in token probability and is still wrong, but I'm sure it could help in some cases.
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  The idea of hooking LLMs back up to themselves, i.e. giving them token prob information somehow or even giving them control over the settings they use to prompt themselves is AWESOME and I cannot believe that no one has seriously done this yet. I've done it in some jupyter notebooks and the results are really neat, especially since LLMs can be made with a tiny bit of extra code to generate a context "timer" that they wait before they prompt themselves to respond, creating a proper conversational agent system (i.e. not the walkie talkie systems of today) I wrote a paper that mentioned doing things like this for having LLMs act as AI art directors: https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.03716 https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.03716
The_Colonel 2y ago
That's indeed the biggest problem, because it limits its usefulness to questions for which you can verify the correctness. (Don't get me wrong, you can still get a lot of utility out of that, since for many problems finding the [candidate] solutions is much more difficult than verifying them) OT, but this also reminds me how much I despise bullshitters. Sometimes right, something wrong, but always confident. In the end, you can't trust what they say.

giantrobot 2y ago

> I treat LLMs like a fallible being, the same way I treat humans. The issue is LLMs are not marketed in this way. They're marketed as all knowing oracles to people that have been conditioned to just accept the first result Google gives them.