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I doubt more than 2% of the fentanyl in the US comes direct from China. China just ships to Mexico, which makes it to the US through the wide open southern bord

by tazu 2y ago

I doubt more than 2% of the fentanyl in the US comes direct from China. China just ships to Mexico, which makes it to the US through the wide open southern border.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> doubt more than 2% of the fentanyl in the US comes direct from China. China just ships to Mexico Correct. "The majority of precursor chemicals for illicitly manufactured fentanyl come from China and are synthesized into fentanyl in Mexico. Fentanyl is then smuggled across the border into the United States" [1]. That said, "China remains the primary source of fentanyl and fentanyl-related substances trafficked through international mail and express consignment operations environment, as well as the main source for all fentanyl-related substances trafficked into the United States" [2]. > which makes it to the US through the wide open southern border No. "Most of the illicit fentanyl coming across the U.S.-Mexico border is smuggled through official ports of entry" [3]. [1] https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1953 https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1953 [2] https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdf https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-... [3] https://www.npr.org/2023/08/07/1192557904/part-1-investigating-how-illicit-fentanyl-is-actually-getting-into-the-u-s https://www.npr.org/2023/08/07/1192557904/part-1-investigati...
- firesteelrain 2y ago
  Majority of the fentanyl was backpacked in. I am not sure if you are trying to make the point that even though the US Government has failed to effectively stop the flow of illegal immigrants and cartel mules flowing drugs across the southern border, fentanyl is coming through official ports of entry illegally. Honestly not sure why it matters.
  - addicted 2y ago
    Of course it matters. The solutions are completely different.
    - firesteelrain 2y ago
      GP was making a political point not a practical one
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Majority of the fentanyl was backpacked in No. This should be plainly obvious for anyone who understands the scale and economies of logistics. If fentanyl were mostly backpacked in, it wouldn’t be a national problem.
    - firesteelrain 2y ago
      Quote from NPR article "Last year, we seized about 700 pounds of fentanyl," Modlin stated. "That was encountered – 52% of that, so the majority of that – was encountered in the field. So that is predominantly being backpacked across the border." Copied from another comment and sourced from NPR
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        Denominator error. “Close to 90% of that fentanyl is seized at ports of entry.” 52% of Tucson’s Border Patrol seizures were on the field. Like, 100% of the wine I drank this afternoon was delicious; that doesn’t mean there is no terrible wine.
- deleted 2y ago
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- Vecr 2y ago
  Well, that's still technically "open". If the border was hermetically sealed (and boats/subs that tried to circumvent it were sunk) that would stop. Pesky international agreements however.
  - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
    It is true that the United States could treat Mexico the way South Korea treats North Korea. I think that would be a terrible idea for extremely obvious reasons.
    - mensetmanusman 2y ago
      You only need to enforce like 1% of the illegal crossings and the 1% facilitating the economy of crossings will be gone.
      - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
        The US does that! We have border control agents! They regularly apprehend migrants attempting illegal crossings.
        mensetmanusman 2y ago
        True, I should’ve stipulated the right 1%. Those orchestrating the cartel coyotes, etc.
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  - appendix-rock 2y ago
    Is this what you meant though?
    - batch12 2y ago
- lenkite 2y ago
  Quote from NPR article "Last year, we seized about 700 pounds of fentanyl," Modlin stated. "That was encountered – 52% of that, so the majority of that – was encountered in the field. So that is predominantly being backpacked across the border." And that seizure is from only a vanishing minority of migrants who were searched. Tens of thousands of illegal immigrants are just sneak in without any checking. The formal ports of entry undergo far more validation and hence more stuff is found.
  - jncfhnb 2y ago
    Perhaps you should also quote the part from the same article that states it’s American citizens doing the smuggling, not illegal immigrants
    - addicted 2y ago
      One can agree that illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be stemmed. But where’s the fun in that. The real fun lies in dehumanizing the illegal immigrants so one can hopefully start a pogrom against them. Now that’s fun!
    - mensetmanusman 2y ago
      If the border is open it doesn’t matter who is moving.
      - jncfhnb 2y ago
        Are you implying you believe the US southern border is open?
        mensetmanusman 2y ago
        During the months where there are an average of 10k illegal crossings per day, some would argue that the border is open enough to be porous to about a towns worth of humans per day.

by tazu 2y ago

I doubt more than 2% of the fentanyl in the US comes direct from China. China just ships to Mexico, which makes it to the US through the wide open southern border.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> doubt more than 2% of the fentanyl in the US comes direct from China. China just ships to Mexico Correct. "The majority of precursor chemicals for illicitly manufactured fentanyl come from China and are synthesized into fentanyl in Mexico. Fentanyl is then smuggled across the border into the United States" [1]. That said, "China remains the primary source of fentanyl and fentanyl-related substances trafficked through international mail and express consignment operations environment, as well as the main source for all fentanyl-related substances trafficked into the United States" [2]. > which makes it to the US through the wide open southern border No. "Most of the illicit fentanyl coming across the U.S.-Mexico border is smuggled through official ports of entry" [3]. [1] https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1953 https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1953 [2] https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdf https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-... [3] https://www.npr.org/2023/08/07/1192557904/part-1-investigating-how-illicit-fentanyl-is-actually-getting-into-the-u-s https://www.npr.org/2023/08/07/1192557904/part-1-investigati...

firesteelrain 2y ago
Majority of the fentanyl was backpacked in. I am not sure if you are trying to make the point that even though the US Government has failed to effectively stop the flow of illegal immigrants and cartel mules flowing drugs across the southern border, fentanyl is coming through official ports of entry illegally. Honestly not sure why it matters.
- addicted 2y ago
  Of course it matters. The solutions are completely different.
  - firesteelrain 2y ago
    GP was making a political point not a practical one
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Majority of the fentanyl was backpacked in No. This should be plainly obvious for anyone who understands the scale and economies of logistics. If fentanyl were mostly backpacked in, it wouldn’t be a national problem.
  - firesteelrain 2y ago
    Quote from NPR article "Last year, we seized about 700 pounds of fentanyl," Modlin stated. "That was encountered – 52% of that, so the majority of that – was encountered in the field. So that is predominantly being backpacked across the border." Copied from another comment and sourced from NPR
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      Denominator error. “Close to 90% of that fentanyl is seized at ports of entry.” 52% of Tucson’s Border Patrol seizures were on the field. Like, 100% of the wine I drank this afternoon was delicious; that doesn’t mean there is no terrible wine.
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Vecr 2y ago
Well, that's still technically "open". If the border was hermetically sealed (and boats/subs that tried to circumvent it were sunk) that would stop. Pesky international agreements however.
- Wowfunhappy 2y ago
  It is true that the United States could treat Mexico the way South Korea treats North Korea. I think that would be a terrible idea for extremely obvious reasons.
  - mensetmanusman 2y ago
    You only need to enforce like 1% of the illegal crossings and the 1% facilitating the economy of crossings will be gone.
    - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
      The US does that! We have border control agents! They regularly apprehend migrants attempting illegal crossings.
      - mensetmanusman 2y ago
        True, I should’ve stipulated the right 1%. Those orchestrating the cartel coyotes, etc.
        deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
- appendix-rock 2y ago
  Is this what you meant though?
  - batch12 2y ago
lenkite 2y ago
Quote from NPR article "Last year, we seized about 700 pounds of fentanyl," Modlin stated. "That was encountered – 52% of that, so the majority of that – was encountered in the field. So that is predominantly being backpacked across the border." And that seizure is from only a vanishing minority of migrants who were searched. Tens of thousands of illegal immigrants are just sneak in without any checking. The formal ports of entry undergo far more validation and hence more stuff is found.
- jncfhnb 2y ago
  Perhaps you should also quote the part from the same article that states it’s American citizens doing the smuggling, not illegal immigrants
  - addicted 2y ago
    One can agree that illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be stemmed. But where’s the fun in that. The real fun lies in dehumanizing the illegal immigrants so one can hopefully start a pogrom against them. Now that’s fun!
  - mensetmanusman 2y ago
    If the border is open it doesn’t matter who is moving.
    - jncfhnb 2y ago
      Are you implying you believe the US southern border is open?
      - mensetmanusman 2y ago
        During the months where there are an average of 10k illegal crossings per day, some would argue that the border is open enough to be porous to about a towns worth of humans per day.