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I believe temu does not make use of such loophole in europe, and is still more successful than amazon

by seydor 2y ago

Ekaros 2y ago
Basically my understanding is that now the seller must do the tolls/taxes before sending the package. Really hits small time sellers in places like UK, but Ali and Temu and so on are so big they can just implement it, pay taxes and still be cheaper than adding local middlemen in the mix.
tyfon 2y ago
Here in Norway, the biggest issue is that China is still officially a developing country, so the Norwegian state subsidizes the freight cost. In practice it's cheaper too send a letter or parcel from China to Norway than doing the same within Norway.
- kylehotchkiss 2y ago
  Wasn't all this UPU stuff written before every country had their own flag airline? China has their own airlines with routes to many places that could be hauling their parcels without the subsidies
- tdeck 2y ago
  It's the same in the US. If I'm in no hurry I often buy small electronic parts from China simply because the whole thing is cheaper than the cheapest shipping buying from a retailer in the US.
SSLy 2y ago
Temu dumps incredible amount of money on marketing here.
paganel 2y ago
Because the great majority of stuff being put up for sale on Amazon comes from Shein and Temu, or some smaller Chinese lookalikes. In pure colonial style the Westerners just want a bigger cut without bringing anything new to the table.
- nasmorn 2y ago
  I don’t know. I ordered some drill bits and a kitchen gadget from Temu and it was hot garbage. The metal used was so soft you could bend the drills. Threw an out after one single use, same with the grater
Tarsul 2y ago
Temu and Shein do use loopholes in Europe/Germany, at least in Germany the reporting (and politicians lamenting) on such has increased recently so there will probably be some rule changes, most probably regarding the 150 euro minimum for customs duties. https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/temu-shein-spd-fraktion-fordert-abschaffung-der-zollfreigrenze-a-c7775773-5ff4-43a9-afc0-9d9d39ed0426 https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/temu-shein-spd...
- sitharus 2y ago
  Here in New Zealand the government passed a law that sellers like AliExpress had to pay taxes on items they shipped here directly, based on the sale price. There was a lot of debate if they would, but they all did it. They don't collect import duty though, because we've had a free trade agreement with China since 2008.

I believe temu does not make use of such loophole in europe, and is still more successful than amazon

by seydor 2y ago

I believe temu does not make use of such loophole in europe, and is still more successful than amazon

Basically my understanding is that now the seller must do the tolls/taxes before sending the package. Really hits small time sellers in places like UK, but Ali and Temu and so on are so big they can just implement it, pay taxes and still be cheaper than adding local middlemen in the mix.

tyfon 2y ago

Here in Norway, the biggest issue is that China is still officially a developing country, so the Norwegian state subsidizes the freight cost. In practice it's cheaper too send a letter or parcel from China to Norway than doing the same within Norway.

kylehotchkiss 2y ago
Wasn't all this UPU stuff written before every country had their own flag airline? China has their own airlines with routes to many places that could be hauling their parcels without the subsidies
tdeck 2y ago
It's the same in the US. If I'm in no hurry I often buy small electronic parts from China simply because the whole thing is cheaper than the cheapest shipping buying from a retailer in the US.

SSLy 2y ago

Temu dumps incredible amount of money on marketing here.

paganel 2y ago

Because the great majority of stuff being put up for sale on Amazon comes from Shein and Temu, or some smaller Chinese lookalikes. In pure colonial style the Westerners just want a bigger cut without bringing anything new to the table.

nasmorn 2y ago
I don’t know. I ordered some drill bits and a kitchen gadget from Temu and it was hot garbage. The metal used was so soft you could bend the drills. Threw an out after one single use, same with the grater

Tarsul 2y ago

Temu and Shein do use loopholes in Europe/Germany, at least in Germany the reporting (and politicians lamenting) on such has increased recently so there will probably be some rule changes, most probably regarding the 150 euro minimum for customs duties. https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/temu-shein-spd-fraktion-fordert-abschaffung-der-zollfreigrenze-a-c7775773-5ff4-43a9-afc0-9d9d39ed0426 https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/temu-shein-spd...

sitharus 2y ago
Here in New Zealand the government passed a law that sellers like AliExpress had to pay taxes on items they shipped here directly, based on the sale price. There was a lot of debate if they would, but they all did it. They don't collect import duty though, because we've had a free trade agreement with China since 2008.