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Massive amounts of anti-fossil fuel powered car legislation being passed, or being talked about, and Tesla being the clear market leader in the electric vehicle

Massive amounts of anti-fossil fuel powered car legislation being passed, or being talked about, and Tesla being the clear market leader in the electric vehicle space.

treyd 2y ago
If you look at share price sure. But if only they could actually build their cars to meet demand and not have them constantly fall apart.
- buzzerbetrayed 2y ago
  Hey look, Hyperbole. Fun!
- fallingknife 2y ago
  I hear endlessly how bad Teslas are from anonymous internet people who don't own them and the exact opposite from everyone I know IRL who does.
  - mattmaroon 2y ago
    My girlfriend owns a model Y and I could write a long list of reasons why they are poorly built and a nightmare to get serviced.
    - tayo42 2y ago
      To be fair your anonymous and that comment is on the internet
      - gigatree 2y ago
        not anyonymous, that’s Matt Maroon
        mattmaroon 2y ago
        Ha, I have had my real name as my screen name here for 17 years. Can’t be any less anonymous on the internet than that.
        tayo42 2y ago
        I should have investigated the profile more. Maybe he's faking it? Hah
        mattmaroon 2y ago
        You can see from the color of my name that I went through Y Combinator. If I’m faking, I was putting a lot of effort into it :)
        reaperman 2y ago
        We can’t, only other YC alums.
  - fakedang 2y ago
    I owned a Tesla and could write a Master's dissertation on it. Interestingly, me buying the Tesla car was my life's shittiest investment but the Tesla shares I bought around that time (mid 2019) were my best investment. I drove a Volvo after that, until landing in a very dangerous accident recently (the Volvo literally saved my life). Now I'm driving a rental Honda (which was my starter car on which I learnt to drive). Both beat Tesla by a mile.
    - wkat4242 2y ago
      Yeah Volvo is great at safety. And reliability too. I owned a 10 year old one that cost me a couple thousand, drove it for years without notable maintenance except the usual oil change and it kept going <3 So much better than my Skoda where half the dashboard fell apart and the gearbox suddenly just "crashed" If I ever own a car again it'll be a Volvo :) won't be an EV for sure because I always buy old cars, i just hate spending a lot on a car. It's not important in my life and the past 6 years I haven't even owned one and rented one only once. Ps totally anecdotal evidence obviously
    - tasuki 2y ago
      > Both beat Tesla by a mile. Pray what's that mean?
      - fakedang 2y ago
        In my experience driving them. I like manual buttons and safety. Granted, the Tesla was the first car I bought and it was an amazing car in and of itself, but the ICE experience was far better. The software side sucks (I don't know why people keep praising Tesla for it).
SoftTalker 2y ago
Except now all the major automakers are making EVs and they are better at making (and servicing) cars than Tesla are.
- triceratops 2y ago
  I have no love for Tesla and I won't buy one as long as Elon Musk owns it. But alas I think most major automakers are massively dropping the ball on EVs. I'm particularly disappointed in Toyota and Honda - I really expected better from them. Where's the Corolla EV or the Civic EV? How about a nice little hatchback? Nope. Everyone's building crossovers, compact SUVs, fuckin' pickup trucks - it's a complete clownshow.
  - jtriangle 2y ago
    The issue is, if you want to make an EV cheap enough to sit in the Civic/Carolla market, it still ends up being useless for most people because you can't afford to equip it with a large battery. Not to mention the only way an EV makes sense is if you can charge it with your own utility power, having to go and sit at a charger for 30+ minutes isn't, and will never be, tenable for most people. Think about who's buying Civics and Corollas. It's apartment dwellers mostly, and they don't have chargers, nor can they. Maybe their parking lot has chargers, and those will be expensive, and they could use public chargers, which are also expensive, but you're talking basically making the cost 1:1 with a gas car at that point, but less convenient, less range, heavier, and all that assumes you can even sell it in that price bracket. It simply makes no sense for the majority of consumers. You'd have to invert the gas/electric pricing, which, given current trends, isn't likely to happen. Now will that always be the case? Very likely not, eventually we'll have cheap power, eventually enough people will be driving EV's that gasoline loses its scale advantage. Until then, the EV market will stay mid-high end, and that means crossovers/suv's/trucks/etc. Some people view that as dreadfully bad, myself, I'm happy that EV's are being developed and sold. By the time the world is ready for them, they're going to be very, very good, and that's the point which I'll be buying one. That is assuming I don't nab myself a late 90's ford ranger with a blown motor and build my own EV first.
  - SoftTalker 2y ago

Massive amounts of anti-fossil fuel powered car legislation being passed, or being talked about, and Tesla being the clear market leader in the electric vehicle space.

treyd 2y ago

If you look at share price sure. But if only they could actually build their cars to meet demand and not have them constantly fall apart.

buzzerbetrayed 2y ago
Hey look, Hyperbole. Fun!
fallingknife 2y ago
I hear endlessly how bad Teslas are from anonymous internet people who don't own them and the exact opposite from everyone I know IRL who does.
- mattmaroon 2y ago
  My girlfriend owns a model Y and I could write a long list of reasons why they are poorly built and a nightmare to get serviced.
  - tayo42 2y ago
    To be fair your anonymous and that comment is on the internet
    - gigatree 2y ago
      not anyonymous, that’s Matt Maroon
      - mattmaroon 2y ago
        Ha, I have had my real name as my screen name here for 17 years. Can’t be any less anonymous on the internet than that.
      - tayo42 2y ago
        I should have investigated the profile more. Maybe he's faking it? Hah
        mattmaroon 2y ago
        You can see from the color of my name that I went through Y Combinator. If I’m faking, I was putting a lot of effort into it :)
        reaperman 2y ago
        We can’t, only other YC alums.
- fakedang 2y ago
  I owned a Tesla and could write a Master's dissertation on it. Interestingly, me buying the Tesla car was my life's shittiest investment but the Tesla shares I bought around that time (mid 2019) were my best investment. I drove a Volvo after that, until landing in a very dangerous accident recently (the Volvo literally saved my life). Now I'm driving a rental Honda (which was my starter car on which I learnt to drive). Both beat Tesla by a mile.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    Yeah Volvo is great at safety. And reliability too. I owned a 10 year old one that cost me a couple thousand, drove it for years without notable maintenance except the usual oil change and it kept going <3 So much better than my Skoda where half the dashboard fell apart and the gearbox suddenly just "crashed" If I ever own a car again it'll be a Volvo :) won't be an EV for sure because I always buy old cars, i just hate spending a lot on a car. It's not important in my life and the past 6 years I haven't even owned one and rented one only once. Ps totally anecdotal evidence obviously
  - tasuki 2y ago
    > Both beat Tesla by a mile. Pray what's that mean?
    - fakedang 2y ago
      In my experience driving them. I like manual buttons and safety. Granted, the Tesla was the first car I bought and it was an amazing car in and of itself, but the ICE experience was far better. The software side sucks (I don't know why people keep praising Tesla for it).

SoftTalker 2y ago

Except now all the major automakers are making EVs and they are better at making (and servicing) cars than Tesla are.

triceratops 2y ago
I have no love for Tesla and I won't buy one as long as Elon Musk owns it. But alas I think most major automakers are massively dropping the ball on EVs. I'm particularly disappointed in Toyota and Honda - I really expected better from them. Where's the Corolla EV or the Civic EV? How about a nice little hatchback? Nope. Everyone's building crossovers, compact SUVs, fuckin' pickup trucks - it's a complete clownshow.
- jtriangle 2y ago
  The issue is, if you want to make an EV cheap enough to sit in the Civic/Carolla market, it still ends up being useless for most people because you can't afford to equip it with a large battery. Not to mention the only way an EV makes sense is if you can charge it with your own utility power, having to go and sit at a charger for 30+ minutes isn't, and will never be, tenable for most people. Think about who's buying Civics and Corollas. It's apartment dwellers mostly, and they don't have chargers, nor can they. Maybe their parking lot has chargers, and those will be expensive, and they could use public chargers, which are also expensive, but you're talking basically making the cost 1:1 with a gas car at that point, but less convenient, less range, heavier, and all that assumes you can even sell it in that price bracket. It simply makes no sense for the majority of consumers. You'd have to invert the gas/electric pricing, which, given current trends, isn't likely to happen. Now will that always be the case? Very likely not, eventually we'll have cheap power, eventually enough people will be driving EV's that gasoline loses its scale advantage. Until then, the EV market will stay mid-high end, and that means crossovers/suv's/trucks/etc. Some people view that as dreadfully bad, myself, I'm happy that EV's are being developed and sold. By the time the world is ready for them, they're going to be very, very good, and that's the point which I'll be buying one. That is assuming I don't nab myself a late 90's ford ranger with a blown motor and build my own EV first.
- SoftTalker 2y ago