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"Online identity is hard." I suppose I'm probably in a tiny minority here, but I think I'd be pretty happy to see online identity get harder (which I think is

"Online identity is hard." I suppose I'm probably in a tiny minority here, but I think I'd be pretty happy to see online identity get harder (which I think is what will happen, with better and cheaper spoofing). There are a very few entities I actually want to be able to verify my identity. For everyone else I'd much prefer to go back to the default-anonymous internet of the late-90s.

mitthrowaway2 2y ago
I'd also prefer the default anonymous late 90s, but without anonymous bots challenging the Turing Test. Not sure how to get there. In the 90s they were easy to spot by the hyperlinks to online counterfit running shoe retailers.
- eastbound 2y ago
  Well it seems bots create more accounts than humans do, so let’s go to the anonymous internet. I was obliged to create an account with email + phone number, just to save my origin/destination on mapy.cz (hiking maps). Not my history! Just to keep state between app reopening.
- worstspotgain 2y ago
  I don't think there's a non-moderated scenario that puts the cat back in the bag. Even before chatbots, there were massive influence operations in favor of one strongman's favorite strongmen. Online manipulation is now an industrial science with decades under its belt. There are so many voices now that someone or something is moderating them no matter what (in most cases just by ordering them.) The challenge now is meta-moderation. There are still few enough moderators that one or two "good guys" could fill the shoes of the meta-moderator, e.g. EFF could tell you that HN is good and Xitter is bad.
  - rpgwaiter 2y ago
    Private torrent trackers have it figured out I think. Invite only, and if someone breaks the rules the entire invite chain gets banned from the site. You invited someone who invited a bot? Sorry buddy, find another website.
    - immibis 2y ago
      so nobody dares to invite anyone and nobody gets invited
      - binary132 2y ago
        Better than total bot takeover.
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  Good bots and poor humans are equally bad, so I'd be willing to accept both in exchange for default-anonymity.

mitthrowaway2 2y ago

I'd also prefer the default anonymous late 90s, but without anonymous bots challenging the Turing Test. Not sure how to get there. In the 90s they were easy to spot by the hyperlinks to online counterfit running shoe retailers.

eastbound 2y ago
Well it seems bots create more accounts than humans do, so let’s go to the anonymous internet. I was obliged to create an account with email + phone number, just to save my origin/destination on mapy.cz (hiking maps). Not my history! Just to keep state between app reopening.
worstspotgain 2y ago
I don't think there's a non-moderated scenario that puts the cat back in the bag. Even before chatbots, there were massive influence operations in favor of one strongman's favorite strongmen. Online manipulation is now an industrial science with decades under its belt. There are so many voices now that someone or something is moderating them no matter what (in most cases just by ordering them.) The challenge now is meta-moderation. There are still few enough moderators that one or two "good guys" could fill the shoes of the meta-moderator, e.g. EFF could tell you that HN is good and Xitter is bad.
- rpgwaiter 2y ago
  Private torrent trackers have it figured out I think. Invite only, and if someone breaks the rules the entire invite chain gets banned from the site. You invited someone who invited a bot? Sorry buddy, find another website.
  - immibis 2y ago
    so nobody dares to invite anyone and nobody gets invited
    - binary132 2y ago
      Better than total bot takeover.
082349872349872 2y ago
Good bots and poor humans are equally bad, so I'd be willing to accept both in exchange for default-anonymity.