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I did not know intel was so short of cash it needs military money to stay afloat.

by vagrantJin 2y ago

timnetworks 2y ago
losing Apple's desktop and laptop business ended up being quite a loss for them
- resters 2y ago
  Intel could't have done it profitably and chose to lose the business. Intel has been a cash cow business for a while, coasting on its early wins and doomed to be gradually surpassed. For shareholders seeking short and medium term value, this works out quite well.
fasa99 2y ago
It's not about the small time military money it's about the big ticket government bailout. If they have some hooks into the military then they have, what's the term, a "moral hazard" card to freely take risk, military dependency puts them at the top of the bailout list (which they kinda were already, now even moreso)
joshvm 2y ago
Their long term plan is to make money via foundry/fab orders, so it makes sense to see this. But otherwise their share price is currently rock bottom because they're pouring money into infrastructure development (plus late EUV adoption) and a lot of people are sceptical it'll pan out.
manquer 2y ago
They are not immediately short of actual cash per se, but they have been doing a lot of layoffs and pulling back on big ticket investments like the foundry they had planned in Germany, financial health is a top concern . they are also loosing revenue hard in multiple segments including their core high margin enterprise server chips and also not gaining foothold in others (mobile/lower power device or GPUs) They need fresh revenue really quickly to keep markets happy on share price which has really tanked this year, also to keep the supply chain healthy and talent motivated Any foundary business is always in need of cash, a leading edge foundary is $20-$30B outlay minimum these days , not many companies in the world are so flush they can easily spend $30B without sweating it
- surfingdino 2y ago
  Seems like that facility they were supposed to build in Germany is going to be built in Poland.
Qwertious 2y ago
They're not short of cash, they're short of business throughput for their fab because it's uncompetitive next to TSMC, but a lot of their chip design business relies on integration with it so they'd lose a ton of money if they went fabless like AMD and switched to TSMC.
avazhi 2y ago
Intel is arguably on the cusp of death as the company that it was between, say, 2000-2013. https://www.economist.com/business/2024/09/12/intel-is-on-life-support-can-anything-save-it https://www.economist.com/business/2024/09/12/intel-is-on-li... It’s pretty nuts reading The Atlantic’s piece from 10 years ago and then seeing where the company is now. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/05/paul-otellinis-intel-can-the-company-that-built-the-future-survive-it/275825/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/05/paul-...

I did not know intel was so short of cash it needs military money to stay afloat.

timnetworks 2y ago

losing Apple's desktop and laptop business ended up being quite a loss for them

resters 2y ago
Intel could't have done it profitably and chose to lose the business. Intel has been a cash cow business for a while, coasting on its early wins and doomed to be gradually surpassed. For shareholders seeking short and medium term value, this works out quite well.

fasa99 2y ago

It's not about the small time military money it's about the big ticket government bailout. If they have some hooks into the military then they have, what's the term, a "moral hazard" card to freely take risk, military dependency puts them at the top of the bailout list (which they kinda were already, now even moreso)

joshvm 2y ago

Their long term plan is to make money via foundry/fab orders, so it makes sense to see this. But otherwise their share price is currently rock bottom because they're pouring money into infrastructure development (plus late EUV adoption) and a lot of people are sceptical it'll pan out.

manquer 2y ago

They are not immediately short of actual cash per se, but they have been doing a lot of layoffs and pulling back on big ticket investments like the foundry they had planned in Germany, financial health is a top concern . they are also loosing revenue hard in multiple segments including their core high margin enterprise server chips and also not gaining foothold in others (mobile/lower power device or GPUs) They need fresh revenue really quickly to keep markets happy on share price which has really tanked this year, also to keep the supply chain healthy and talent motivated Any foundary business is always in need of cash, a leading edge foundary is $20-$30B outlay minimum these days , not many companies in the world are so flush they can easily spend $30B without sweating it

surfingdino 2y ago
Seems like that facility they were supposed to build in Germany is going to be built in Poland.

Qwertious 2y ago

They're not short of cash, they're short of business throughput for their fab because it's uncompetitive next to TSMC, but a lot of their chip design business relies on integration with it so they'd lose a ton of money if they went fabless like AMD and switched to TSMC.

avazhi 2y ago

Intel is arguably on the cusp of death as the company that it was between, say, 2000-2013. https://www.economist.com/business/2024/09/12/intel-is-on-life-support-can-anything-save-it https://www.economist.com/business/2024/09/12/intel-is-on-li... It’s pretty nuts reading The Atlantic’s piece from 10 years ago and then seeing where the company is now. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/05/paul-otellinis-intel-can-the-company-that-built-the-future-survive-it/275825/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/05/paul-...