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Tesla Cybertruck sales surge 61% in July, outsells direct rivals
- 2four2 2y ago"In June, Cox Automotive noted that the Cybertruck was the best-selling vehicle in the United States priced over $100,000." That's very surprising. Almost more so than the headline.
- hindsightbias 2y agoWhy? Is there some 4 year pent up demand for Bentley’s or LC500s?
- 2four2 2y agoYou might be surprised at the number of vehicles over $100k. Performance and luxury trucks bump into that category. Genesis and Land Rover have vehicles easily in that range. Just go price out an Escalade or Navigator and it becomes expensive quickly. Long ago was the era of only ferraris and lambos being >100k.
- IAmGraydon 2y agoYeah almost any decent luxury car can be optioned to over $100k these days.
- cgh 2y agoFord F150 Raptor
- beastman82 2y agoI have significant pent up demand for an LC500
- IAmGraydon 2y agoThey now seem to be as common as any other car in my area. I see one or more every day. I can’t imagine what would make someone want to buy one besides the “hey look I have an obnoxious new thing” effect, and that appears to be quickly diminishing.
- dylan604 2y agoWhat is your area? They are not abundant in truck country
- theultdev 2y agoThey are all over Austin. Haven't seen many in Texas other than liberal areas. That said, they're actually really nice, will be getting one after another gen or two. But I don't view it as a truck, more of a modern bullet-proof[1] el camino, still keeping an ICE truck for work/play. [1] https://youtu.be/teRRk-0KHus?si=5_98wHeU5pSIP0R6&t=196 https://youtu.be/teRRk-0KHus?si=5_98wHeU5pSIP0R6&t=196
- starik36 2y ago
- jazzyjackson 2y agoThis is deliveries? Are they double counting when one is a lemon and they have to replace it? (I don't know how often this happens)
- faeriechangling 2y agoThe competition are selling trucks that are significantly less capable than gas trucks selling for loads less. Tesla is selling a very expensive conversation piece out of a sci-fi movie. There's nothing else really like it.
- cr125rider 2y agoI drive a Ford Lightning and it’s exactly like my previous F-150 except faster and cheaper to operate. Oh and it was cheaper out of the door than its gas sibling at the same trim level. 10/10 - would buy a vehicle from an experienced manufacturer again.
- dylan604 2y agoNot sure if you're pro/con to it.
- notjoemama 2y agoDo they have to be?
- ISL 2y agoAgreed. One must be rather careful when determining the Cybertruck's "direct rivals". It's got a lot of properties of a "truck", yet it is difficult to imagine utilizing it, especially given the price, in many of the environments for which trucks were originally designed.
- dmix 2y agoIt's an SUV and I think most people know that and if not a ton of people buy $70k+ pick up trucks when they really only need a normal SUV or car anyway, so it's not like the market was full of rational behaviour and clearly defined work vs consumer marketing by the vendors.
- dangus 2y agoWhich really means deliveries. Manufacturing volume. It doesn’t mean that more people want them.
- mensetmanusman 2y agoHonest question, if Tesla doesn’t have dealership how could they fake delivery to an intermediate?
- jncfhnb 2y agoWasn’t there some notice of them literally committing fraud on these numbers? E.g. counting repairs as new deliveries?
- dangus 2y agoI’m not saying they’re faking deliveries. I’m saying that it looks like they have sales growth when what is really happening is that they’ve been so constrained on production that they’re only now increasing sales to fulfill back orders. The problem will arise when the back orders are filled and this too-unique looking truck with only one paint color is everywhere. The novelty wears off and now you’ve got a vehicle similar to the PT Cruiser or VW New Beetle where its unique appearance has worn out its welcome in the market. Five years from now Tesla has no path forward on refreshing the truck. Every single passenger car on the market has a 5 year styling refresh cycle.
- gorpy7 2y agoAre you in the car industry? i feel no one talks about refresh cycles so confidently unless you’re very tight. I think 99.9% of people in the industry have no interest in shaking the equation that feeds. but,conversely, there really is nothing but upside for the consumer. cars have been “refreshing” for decades in a fashion that is not driven by function. I think ‘visually or recognizably new’ is a marketing cheat that wastes resources. I think some believe the truck is ugly to draw attention but, and while i can’t rule that out, i think the weighting would be in the 10% realm. the remaining , at least originally,based on pushing the envelope as practically as possible. for instance, to be able to fold the metal of the car to simplify it’s construction. Stainless steel holds a special place in many engineers’ minds. this truck is fundamentally cool because so many ideas got to come together under one hood. a truck is foremost a tool, like a hammer, and nobody tries to keep a top coat nanocermajama on their hamma!hehe
- BryanLegend 2y ago84 MPGe
- gorpy7 2y agoLots of cynics here can’t separate the baby from the bathwater. You may need to get off your device and try driving one. Moreover, it’s an EV and i know reducing carbon emissions is a value that’s widely held here. It might be that you can’t have your cake and eat it too. It just feels folks here want to align the people with the things with the beliefs and then let the negative opinion span across all of it as if it were one thing. It feels intellectually lazy. Or is it stereotyping? i wonder if these detracting comments are meant to be persuasive or just score points with like the like-minded. Consensus indicates something, i suppose, lol.
- holsta 2y ago> try driving one. I drove a Model Y for >2 years, and it was great. The camp-mode alone brought so many opportunities to stay with friends and family more than I otherwise would have. Camping and sleeping in the car was the only time I had to wake up the dog in the morning. Usually she's up before me. It used to be that Elon's public persona was a geek who wanted solar panels and EVs everywhere. When there were concerns about battery life, he upped the warranty. There were a few more very positive cases like that. Then those things slowly feel apart. Later it turns out we were fooled all along, and he's been a lifelong conservative, mistreated his kids and still does, and lately offered financial support to a wanna-be dictator. I can't even remember every horrible thing now. Getting rid of the Model Y wasn't easy or cheap, but if I can't stand by my principles when it gets hard, what's the point of having principles? I know some people who just can't afford to get rid of a car like this, but those who deliberately support a person like Musk are just hanging out in a Nazi bar at this point, and my grandparent literally did bad things to Nazis. If you ever heard people ask "What did normal people do during the Nazi's rise to power?" -- we're all doing it now.
- dangus 2y agoNo, I can’t separate Tesla from its childish, hateful, misogynist CEO. No, I can’t separate Tesla from its smug, cultish owners. If you buy a Tesla it has a negative social connotation, the same way BMW owners can’t complain when people make turn signal jokes about them. But also, my feeling is it’s positioned poorly in the market. The Hummer EV is a better more capable vehicle that “does it all” a lot better. It’s more luxurious and the build quality is better. It’s better in every spec. The Rivian R1T beats it out in range and capability as well, and some of its trim levels are cheaper than Tesla. The Ford F-150 Lightning is cheaper and has a ton of design elements that have been proven by people who do real work. And next we’ll be seeing the Silverado EV and RAM EV. The CyberTruck comes in one color, has stainless steel panels basically glued on top of the unibody, has a barebones interior lacking a number of luxuries, and the recalled hub caps aren’t even shipping to customers. It’s also going to be impossible for Tesla to refresh without major tooling changes. It’ll be like the PT Cruiser or New Beetle where it is overdesigned and can’t be easily transitioned to a second generation.
- mensetmanusman 2y agoThey turn like butter in parking lots, it’s crazy no one has done this type of steering on a mass production truck yet.
- travisb 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrasteer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrasteer GM did it in the early 2000's. It's not generally worth the trade-offs in a pickup truck (cost, durability, maintenance, weight capacity, wheel-well size, etc.).
- Descon 2y agoIt's been done before https://www.drivingline.com/articles/why-did-gms-excellent-quadrasteer-full-size-pickup-four-wheel-steering-system-simply-disappear/ https://www.drivingline.com/articles/why-did-gms-excellent-q...
- mohaine 2y agoThe 48v system voltage and steer by wire make it much cheaper to implement. Not sure how the quadrasteer did it but it wasn’t cheap for GM
- rsynnott 2y agoIn San Francisco this week, and saw one for the first time (from a Waymo; presumably the cybertruck’s computer was seething with jealousy at the spinning lidar thingy as we passed). Burst out laughing (in my defence I’d had a drink or two, but it’s really an amazingly ridiculous looking object in the flesh.)
- outside1234 2y agoGod why - so awful looking
- nozzlegear 2y agoI thought so too, until I saw one in the wild (they're still very rare where I live). It was quite something coming at us in the opposite lane, and the steel has a neat, purplish, oil-slick sheen to it in the sunlight. I'm not rushing to buy one, I still prefer my Bolt EUV, but I think it looks better in person than it does in pictures.
- plorkyeran 2y agoSeeing them in person made me go from thinking they're kinda stupid looking to thinking they're extremely stupid looking. They're somehow even more ridiculous in person than in pictures.
- habosa 2y agoIt’s sad to me that this type of car is street legal. It’s so clearly unsafe for everyone on the outside of it (other cars and all humans who share the streets). It’s a massive steel battering ram with acceleration that has no purpose other than entertainment and peacocking. Meanwhile I’m pushing my child in a stroller in fear. I’m glad the NHTSA is going to start actually testing car safety with pedestrian dummies. That’s a start.
- kcplate 2y agoWhere are you that pedestrian injuries in auto accidents is of greater concern or more prevalent than passenger and driver injuries? Seems to me that if the bulk of the injuries encountered during a vehicle accident occur to passengers by an order of magnitude greater than pedestrians, it would make sense that design elements that protect passengers even at the expense of pedestrian safety would be a positive overall safety impact.
- tim333 2y agoFor the US there are about 7k pedestrian deaths and 42k car deaths per year so pedestrian deaths are lower but still significant.
- theultdev 2y agoI think if your child/stroller gets hit with any car it's going to be a problem
- itake 2y agoThe height of the vehicle makes it really difficult for the driver to see obstructions. Smaller vehicles would see the child and stop. The cyber truck would not.. (just because other trucks and suvs are big, doesn't make the cyber truck safer)
- kcplate 2y agoThe amount of active safety sensors and monitors on newer/modern vehicles tend to make up for all that. My SUV is so loaded with cameras, sensors, and automated braking systems that it is significantly safer for anything that might be within the classic “blind spots” of larger vehicles than the smaller cars I have driven. My vehicle barks at me and will auto brake if I am anywhere near anything that I might hit. I’d venture to say that I would have to try and intentionally hit something to override the safety features it has. I’m not a fan of the cyber truck, but the reviews I have seen show that vehicle is also loaded with these safety systems.
- rayrey 2y ago/r/cyberstuck on Reddit for your browsing pleasure
- gloryjulio 2y agoMy main question is did Tesla fixed cybertruck's quality? They were horrible comparing to even Tesla's own standard
- chairmansteve 2y agoJust shows there's an over supply of douche bags currently.
- cameldrv 2y agoI never would have guessed Tesla would go from selling electric cars to Democrats to selling electric trucks to Republicans.
- 7e 2y agoOverall, Tesla sales are down YoY. The Cybertruck is newer than the R1T and F150, so there are still some buyers.