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The "washout" would work equally well if they were teaching non-BS. And what do we teach people for 12 years before college? Is college the first time people l

by kjksf 2y ago

The "washout" would work equally well if they were teaching non-BS. And what do we teach people for 12 years before college? Is college the first time people learn how to learn?

xeromal 2y ago
The 12 years before is mandatory so it's no indication but it used to be when it wasn't. That's why high school diplomas don't matter as much as they did in say 1920
slt2021 2y ago
public school is just daycare, not a school at all, due to lowering the bar and easing curriculum in the name of "equity".
- ghaff 2y ago
  We could probably do a better job in the years leading up to the 16-18 year old start of going away to college. But we'd probably need to spend the money to customize things a lot more. One of the fun reads I had over the past year or so was from the NY Times on basically a one-room schoolhouse in Alta Utah where the kids basically spent half the day skiing. I can think of worse things. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/us/alta-utah-public-school.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/us/alta-utah-public-schoo...
  - slt2021 2y ago
    With AI what we going to see is unbundling of school: education separately, socialization separately. You can socialize with your ski buddies. You can study with self-selected motivated group of teens together with AI and a tutor (college grad with AI teaching high schoolers, high schoolers with AI teaching mid schoolers, etc). This model will be decentralized and more like twitch group, rather than centrally administered school District
    - ghaff 2y ago
      That’s the problem. You can’t just eliminate pre-college and hope everything works out fine. Because AI.
      - slt2021 2y ago
        College wont be needed because of AI, the entirety of liberal arts is already obsolete. Engineering disciplines can be split into blue collar (like operating CNC) learned at vocational schools, and deep tech (research focused) - these really only need “elite” colleges like top1%. The rest of 99% of colleges might as well disappear
        ghaff 2y ago
        The level of disconnect from reality you often see in tech circles is pretty amazing.
        slt2021 2y ago
        this is my vision of the future, given the current rapid pace of development of ai. just ask yourself: are you ready to pay $300k (65k tuition+20k living costs per year) for each of your kid to go to college, party, get drunk and study data structures & algorithms and Java? do you want to spend 300k so your kid understands Cormen Leiserson algorithms book and do you think it is a good value ? and I am talking about CS - arguably one of the highest ROI degrees out there. meanwhile a kid from India/Eastern Europe who got same CS degree for $10k out of pocket will get the same knowledge and can get the same faang job
        ghaff 2y ago
        I'm not sure what AI has to do with that question to be honest. The discussion upthread was about secondary education which is required at some level and generally free (to the student's family) in the US today. There are tons of resources for self-study and other activities for motivated students/families. As for college/trade schools, options range from essentially free for self-study to very expensive with everything in between. Again, I'm not sure to what degree AI changes most of that. I'm certainly prepared to believe that credentialism becomes less important in some fields (it sort of has in CS) but that has less to do with AI than some companies relying less on universities to do their vetting for them. Other fields, of course, differ. You've got a lot better shot at a top-paying job in Big Law if you went to Harvard Law and clerked for a Supreme Court justice.

by kjksf 2y ago

The "washout" would work equally well if they were teaching non-BS. And what do we teach people for 12 years before college? Is college the first time people learn how to learn?

xeromal 2y ago

The 12 years before is mandatory so it's no indication but it used to be when it wasn't. That's why high school diplomas don't matter as much as they did in say 1920

slt2021 2y ago

public school is just daycare, not a school at all, due to lowering the bar and easing curriculum in the name of "equity".

ghaff 2y ago
We could probably do a better job in the years leading up to the 16-18 year old start of going away to college. But we'd probably need to spend the money to customize things a lot more. One of the fun reads I had over the past year or so was from the NY Times on basically a one-room schoolhouse in Alta Utah where the kids basically spent half the day skiing. I can think of worse things. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/us/alta-utah-public-school.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/us/alta-utah-public-schoo...
- slt2021 2y ago
  With AI what we going to see is unbundling of school: education separately, socialization separately. You can socialize with your ski buddies. You can study with self-selected motivated group of teens together with AI and a tutor (college grad with AI teaching high schoolers, high schoolers with AI teaching mid schoolers, etc). This model will be decentralized and more like twitch group, rather than centrally administered school District
  - ghaff 2y ago
    That’s the problem. You can’t just eliminate pre-college and hope everything works out fine. Because AI.
    - slt2021 2y ago
      College wont be needed because of AI, the entirety of liberal arts is already obsolete. Engineering disciplines can be split into blue collar (like operating CNC) learned at vocational schools, and deep tech (research focused) - these really only need “elite” colleges like top1%. The rest of 99% of colleges might as well disappear
      - ghaff 2y ago
        The level of disconnect from reality you often see in tech circles is pretty amazing.
        slt2021 2y ago
        this is my vision of the future, given the current rapid pace of development of ai. just ask yourself: are you ready to pay $300k (65k tuition+20k living costs per year) for each of your kid to go to college, party, get drunk and study data structures & algorithms and Java? do you want to spend 300k so your kid understands Cormen Leiserson algorithms book and do you think it is a good value ? and I am talking about CS - arguably one of the highest ROI degrees out there. meanwhile a kid from India/Eastern Europe who got same CS degree for $10k out of pocket will get the same knowledge and can get the same faang job
        ghaff 2y ago
        I'm not sure what AI has to do with that question to be honest. The discussion upthread was about secondary education which is required at some level and generally free (to the student's family) in the US today. There are tons of resources for self-study and other activities for motivated students/families. As for college/trade schools, options range from essentially free for self-study to very expensive with everything in between. Again, I'm not sure to what degree AI changes most of that. I'm certainly prepared to believe that credentialism becomes less important in some fields (it sort of has in CS) but that has less to do with AI than some companies relying less on universities to do their vetting for them. Other fields, of course, differ. You've got a lot better shot at a top-paying job in Big Law if you went to Harvard Law and clerked for a Supreme Court justice.