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Not sure about your school but part of college is a washout tool. Can someone handle BS for 4 years without giving up which is a good indicator of their charact

Not sure about your school but part of college is a washout tool. Can someone handle BS for 4 years without giving up which is a good indicator of their character. Another is that most of the classes should eventually teach you how to teach yourself. You're given progressively harder challenges but you have to fill the gaps with your own study and research.

eYrKEC2 2y ago
Bingo. A BS is a great filter for hard working and higher IQ. Guess who does really really good in sales? People who play varsity or college sports. Is it a rule? Nope. Is it a great heuristic? Yep. Does football teach you sales? Not really... but it does filter for certain traits, one of which is probably pure animal magnetism and the base desire of humans to be influenced bt the most fit individual.
- stonogo 2y ago
  Team sports teach you how to work productively with people, including people you might not like. That skill directly transfers to sales.
  - ghaff 2y ago
    And it almost certainly also filters for competitiveness, probably more so than the typical technical curriculum does.
kjksf 2y ago
The "washout" would work equally well if they were teaching non-BS. And what do we teach people for 12 years before college? Is college the first time people learn how to learn?
- xeromal 2y ago
  The 12 years before is mandatory so it's no indication but it used to be when it wasn't. That's why high school diplomas don't matter as much as they did in say 1920
- slt2021 2y ago
  public school is just daycare, not a school at all, due to lowering the bar and easing curriculum in the name of "equity".
  - ghaff 2y ago
    We could probably do a better job in the years leading up to the 16-18 year old start of going away to college. But we'd probably need to spend the money to customize things a lot more. One of the fun reads I had over the past year or so was from the NY Times on basically a one-room schoolhouse in Alta Utah where the kids basically spent half the day skiing. I can think of worse things. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/us/alta-utah-public-school.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/us/alta-utah-public-schoo...
    - slt2021 2y ago
      With AI what we going to see is unbundling of school: education separately, socialization separately. You can socialize with your ski buddies. You can study with self-selected motivated group of teens together with AI and a tutor (college grad with AI teaching high schoolers, high schoolers with AI teaching mid schoolers, etc). This model will be decentralized and more like twitch group, rather than centrally administered school District
      - ghaff 2y ago
        That’s the problem. You can’t just eliminate pre-college and hope everything works out fine. Because AI.
        slt2021 2y ago
        College wont be needed because of AI, the entirety of liberal arts is already obsolete. Engineering disciplines can be split into blue collar (like operating CNC) learned at vocational schools, and deep tech (research focused) - these really only need “elite” colleges like top1%. The rest of 99% of colleges might as well disappear
klodolph 2y ago
I like to phrase it this way—in life, there’s a lot of bullshit. In college, there’s a lot of bullshit. If you can handle four years of bullshit in college, that’s a good sign.

eYrKEC2 2y ago

Bingo. A BS is a great filter for hard working and higher IQ. Guess who does really really good in sales? People who play varsity or college sports. Is it a rule? Nope. Is it a great heuristic? Yep. Does football teach you sales? Not really... but it does filter for certain traits, one of which is probably pure animal magnetism and the base desire of humans to be influenced bt the most fit individual.

stonogo 2y ago
Team sports teach you how to work productively with people, including people you might not like. That skill directly transfers to sales.
- ghaff 2y ago
  And it almost certainly also filters for competitiveness, probably more so than the typical technical curriculum does.

kjksf 2y ago

The "washout" would work equally well if they were teaching non-BS. And what do we teach people for 12 years before college? Is college the first time people learn how to learn?

xeromal 2y ago
The 12 years before is mandatory so it's no indication but it used to be when it wasn't. That's why high school diplomas don't matter as much as they did in say 1920
slt2021 2y ago
public school is just daycare, not a school at all, due to lowering the bar and easing curriculum in the name of "equity".
- ghaff 2y ago
  We could probably do a better job in the years leading up to the 16-18 year old start of going away to college. But we'd probably need to spend the money to customize things a lot more. One of the fun reads I had over the past year or so was from the NY Times on basically a one-room schoolhouse in Alta Utah where the kids basically spent half the day skiing. I can think of worse things. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/us/alta-utah-public-school.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/us/alta-utah-public-schoo...
  - slt2021 2y ago
    With AI what we going to see is unbundling of school: education separately, socialization separately. You can socialize with your ski buddies. You can study with self-selected motivated group of teens together with AI and a tutor (college grad with AI teaching high schoolers, high schoolers with AI teaching mid schoolers, etc). This model will be decentralized and more like twitch group, rather than centrally administered school District
    - ghaff 2y ago
      That’s the problem. You can’t just eliminate pre-college and hope everything works out fine. Because AI.
      - slt2021 2y ago
        College wont be needed because of AI, the entirety of liberal arts is already obsolete. Engineering disciplines can be split into blue collar (like operating CNC) learned at vocational schools, and deep tech (research focused) - these really only need “elite” colleges like top1%. The rest of 99% of colleges might as well disappear

klodolph 2y ago

I like to phrase it this way—in life, there’s a lot of bullshit. In college, there’s a lot of bullshit. If you can handle four years of bullshit in college, that’s a good sign.