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Is this the lobbyists for military industrial complex putting out propaganda in hopes of increasing the US military budget? I think so.

llamaimperative 2y ago
You can watch videos of what war looks like in Ukraine today. It is objectively true that war has changed dramatically. There being financial incentives to accounting for this change is a good thing.
- rightbyte 2y ago
  It still seems to be about artillery pounding shells at some place a bit away and trucks moving shells to said artillery. Infantry and armor being some statistical cost in shells. Most shells kinda wins eventually. Drones just made it even more unlikely that enemies see each other before they die of shrapnel wounds, mines, or what ever. Those videos are propaganda.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    "eventually" is doing some heavy lifting there
    - rightbyte 2y ago
      Ye. But the soldiers will be home before Christmas surely. Edit: "/s". Referring to some unnamed WW1 quote.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        In any case I know people who are very familiar with the situation on the ground in Ukraine and it is simply not true that it's all artillery and shells and that drones are propaganda.
        rightbyte 2y ago
        I claim that the videos are propaganda. Not the drones. Maybe the distance soldiers are of each other, pretending to be killing each other, have increased from 300-500m to, dunno, 1600m? I don't think mortars were a big thing in the 1WW. Otherwise, the trenches would have be further apart. You know, the main reason to fire at the enemy is to let them know where you are. Just to make sure they know. Otherwise it might get ugly. Artillery is further back and does not care about the deal.
taylodl 2y ago
The US spends more on defense spending than all the other countries in the world combined and yet they're "never prepared" for the "new era" of warfare. Gonna need more money for the defense contractors to research the issue. This has been the state of affairs since WWII. Now the world is starting to realize that the US has been sustaining this spending level to the detriment of their health and education, and that lack of education has created a group of bozos poised to take over the government and control those armaments. It's a sad state of affairs.
- xenospn 2y ago
  No need to prepare for a new era when you can just bomb everyone into a previous one.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 2y ago
  >and yet they're never prepared Of course not, how could we be prepared unless we continuously invest? In what other sphere does life continue to flourish in the face of evolving threats without continuous co-evolution? As an American I am not an at all concerned about the total amount spent. I am highly concerned that it gets spent effectively. > to the detriment of their health and education The US is starting to realize that Europe has neglected its own defense in favor of social projects, while relying on US taxpayer defense spending. >It's a sad state of affairs. Agreed.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    > The US is starting to realize that Europe has neglected its own defense in favor of social projects, while relying on US taxpayer defense spending. It's not that simple. Our social programs matter more to our citizens. The US wastes a lot of money on feeding its military industrial complex, including waging totally unnecessary and inconsequential wars like the second Iraq war or Afghanistan. As soon as they pull out after wasting trillions, things are back the way they were. And in the case of Iraq a lot worse (ISIS). The money for those wars would have been better spent on health and education, and less lives would be lost as well. What is most important for our safety against countries like Russia is the nuclear umbrella. And the US doesn't want to see more than France and Britain have nuclear capabilities.
krapp 2y ago
I don't, because I find the premise that the American military industrial complex actually has to justify itself or restrain itself to a "budget" that is anything but political theatre to be comical. If the US really wants something done, it just does it. The concept of needing "money" to "pay for" things is just a formality when you're a superpower and empire controlling the world's reserve currency, and you have black budgets that trillions of dollars just disappear into and you don't even care enough to keep track of it because war machine just go brr.
keyboardcaper 2y ago
At the same time, a defense contractor, whose name rhymes with ”top speed carting”, is running sci-fi ads with the tagline ”Ahead of ready”.

llamaimperative 2y ago

You can watch videos of what war looks like in Ukraine today. It is objectively true that war has changed dramatically. There being financial incentives to accounting for this change is a good thing.

rightbyte 2y ago
It still seems to be about artillery pounding shells at some place a bit away and trucks moving shells to said artillery. Infantry and armor being some statistical cost in shells. Most shells kinda wins eventually. Drones just made it even more unlikely that enemies see each other before they die of shrapnel wounds, mines, or what ever. Those videos are propaganda.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  "eventually" is doing some heavy lifting there
  - rightbyte 2y ago
    Ye. But the soldiers will be home before Christmas surely. Edit: "/s". Referring to some unnamed WW1 quote.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      In any case I know people who are very familiar with the situation on the ground in Ukraine and it is simply not true that it's all artillery and shells and that drones are propaganda.
      - rightbyte 2y ago
        I claim that the videos are propaganda. Not the drones. Maybe the distance soldiers are of each other, pretending to be killing each other, have increased from 300-500m to, dunno, 1600m? I don't think mortars were a big thing in the 1WW. Otherwise, the trenches would have be further apart. You know, the main reason to fire at the enemy is to let them know where you are. Just to make sure they know. Otherwise it might get ugly. Artillery is further back and does not care about the deal.

taylodl 2y ago

The US spends more on defense spending than all the other countries in the world combined and yet they're "never prepared" for the "new era" of warfare. Gonna need more money for the defense contractors to research the issue. This has been the state of affairs since WWII. Now the world is starting to realize that the US has been sustaining this spending level to the detriment of their health and education, and that lack of education has created a group of bozos poised to take over the government and control those armaments. It's a sad state of affairs.

xenospn 2y ago
No need to prepare for a new era when you can just bomb everyone into a previous one.
ahmeneeroe-v2 2y ago
>and yet they're never prepared Of course not, how could we be prepared unless we continuously invest? In what other sphere does life continue to flourish in the face of evolving threats without continuous co-evolution? As an American I am not an at all concerned about the total amount spent. I am highly concerned that it gets spent effectively. > to the detriment of their health and education The US is starting to realize that Europe has neglected its own defense in favor of social projects, while relying on US taxpayer defense spending. >It's a sad state of affairs. Agreed.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  > The US is starting to realize that Europe has neglected its own defense in favor of social projects, while relying on US taxpayer defense spending. It's not that simple. Our social programs matter more to our citizens. The US wastes a lot of money on feeding its military industrial complex, including waging totally unnecessary and inconsequential wars like the second Iraq war or Afghanistan. As soon as they pull out after wasting trillions, things are back the way they were. And in the case of Iraq a lot worse (ISIS). The money for those wars would have been better spent on health and education, and less lives would be lost as well. What is most important for our safety against countries like Russia is the nuclear umbrella. And the US doesn't want to see more than France and Britain have nuclear capabilities.

krapp 2y ago

I don't, because I find the premise that the American military industrial complex actually has to justify itself or restrain itself to a "budget" that is anything but political theatre to be comical. If the US really wants something done, it just does it. The concept of needing "money" to "pay for" things is just a formality when you're a superpower and empire controlling the world's reserve currency, and you have black budgets that trillions of dollars just disappear into and you don't even care enough to keep track of it because war machine just go brr.

keyboardcaper 2y ago

At the same time, a defense contractor, whose name rhymes with ”top speed carting”, is running sci-fi ads with the tagline ”Ahead of ready”.