Yes, your quotes' source is from a 1971 paper and I realize this source isn't much better than you saying otherwise, but it could be that the Socrates quote is

Yes, your quotes' source is from a 1971 paper and I realize this source isn't much better than you saying otherwise, but it could be that the Socrates quote is not accurate - https://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/maverick_philosopher/2013/04/misattributed-to-socrates.html https://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/maverick_philosopher... The Egyptian priest quote is muddied too - https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/4923/was-this-quote-on-a-clay-tablet-about-unruly-kids-written-by-an-assyrian https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/4923/was-this-q... I wouldn't build an argument on them...