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Wow are you this upset over Ukraine receiving $24b in 2022? Btw Israel received $3.2b, and the majority of which are "credits". If you were an actual concerned

by nuxai 2y ago

Wow are you this upset over Ukraine receiving $24b in 2022? Btw Israel received $3.2b, and the majority of which are "credits". If you were an actual concerned taxpayer, you'd want to understand what America gets in response from 24b - what do we get? Israel is America's strongest partner in the ME your belief that it's a one-sided relationship is ridiculous.

cholantesh 2y ago
>Israel is America's strongest partner in the ME your belief that it's a one-sided relationship is ridiculous. I actually agree with the second part of this sentence, but it is worth explaining what this means in a material sense.
- nuxai 2y ago
  intelligence, agriculture, startups, weapons, theres a very long list of resources America gets exclusive access to due to our relationship with Israel.
  - cholantesh 2y ago
    So aside from agriculture, nothing that average Americans get material benefit from.
    - Beefin 2y ago
      The average American has never used a cell phone I guess? https://www.israel21c.org/made-in-israel-the-top-64-innovations-developed-in-israel/ https://www.israel21c.org/made-in-israel-the-top-64-innovati...
      - cholantesh 2y ago
        Motorola being first to market with a product developed in their Tel Aviv office doesn't seem to fit in the categories GP laid out, but cool.
cheeseomlit 2y ago
Not a fair comparison, Ukraine is obviously in a crisis and doesn't get that kind of money from us on a regular basis just for existing. We've been sending billions to Israel every year for decades now, in both money and military equipment. They don't get to take all that and then claim 'Zionism comes at no expense to other people' which was the original point. Not to mention a lot of that is sent due to AIPAC influence which is absurd, foreign governments should not be able to dump money into our politics to further their national interests.
- nuxai 2y ago
  Have you ever heard of CAIR? You understand they've influenced billions in aid to Afghanistan, what has America gotten in return? the anti-Israel bias on HN is absurd.
  - cholantesh 2y ago
    >what has America gotten in return The ability to retake a small shred of moral high ground, I guess, given its role in turning Afghanistan in to a failed state.
  - cheeseomlit 2y ago
    CAIR shouldn't be able to give money to campaigns either, and also PACs shouldn't exist- at least not as a roundabout form of political bribery. All that aside, according to opensecrets CAIR raised 80k in political funding over the past 2 years when the AIPAC raised 45 mil, they're not in the same league in terms of influence. And that's not even getting into all the state-funded social media astroturfing campaigns that have been posted about here as well. I'm not sure how any US citizen could defend these practices while also having a (warranted) conniption over election meddling when the Russians do it I'm also disapointed that the posts for this submission were immediately mired in politics (due to one off-hand remark in the article) instead of discussing the history of this siege or even the fascinating life of Josephus, but I guess I shouldn't complain if I'm part of the problem

by nuxai 2y ago

cholantesh 2y ago

>Israel is America's strongest partner in the ME your belief that it's a one-sided relationship is ridiculous. I actually agree with the second part of this sentence, but it is worth explaining what this means in a material sense.

nuxai 2y ago
intelligence, agriculture, startups, weapons, theres a very long list of resources America gets exclusive access to due to our relationship with Israel.
- cholantesh 2y ago
  So aside from agriculture, nothing that average Americans get material benefit from.
  - Beefin 2y ago
    The average American has never used a cell phone I guess? https://www.israel21c.org/made-in-israel-the-top-64-innovations-developed-in-israel/ https://www.israel21c.org/made-in-israel-the-top-64-innovati...
    - cholantesh 2y ago
      Motorola being first to market with a product developed in their Tel Aviv office doesn't seem to fit in the categories GP laid out, but cool.

cheeseomlit 2y ago

Not a fair comparison, Ukraine is obviously in a crisis and doesn't get that kind of money from us on a regular basis just for existing. We've been sending billions to Israel every year for decades now, in both money and military equipment. They don't get to take all that and then claim 'Zionism comes at no expense to other people' which was the original point. Not to mention a lot of that is sent due to AIPAC influence which is absurd, foreign governments should not be able to dump money into our politics to further their national interests.

nuxai 2y ago
Have you ever heard of CAIR? You understand they've influenced billions in aid to Afghanistan, what has America gotten in return? the anti-Israel bias on HN is absurd.
- cholantesh 2y ago
  >what has America gotten in return The ability to retake a small shred of moral high ground, I guess, given its role in turning Afghanistan in to a failed state.
- cheeseomlit 2y ago
  CAIR shouldn't be able to give money to campaigns either, and also PACs shouldn't exist- at least not as a roundabout form of political bribery. All that aside, according to opensecrets CAIR raised 80k in political funding over the past 2 years when the AIPAC raised 45 mil, they're not in the same league in terms of influence. And that's not even getting into all the state-funded social media astroturfing campaigns that have been posted about here as well. I'm not sure how any US citizen could defend these practices while also having a (warranted) conniption over election meddling when the Russians do it I'm also disapointed that the posts for this submission were immediately mired in politics (due to one off-hand remark in the article) instead of discussing the history of this siege or even the fascinating life of Josephus, but I guess I shouldn't complain if I'm part of the problem