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> Rust joke is not attacking race, creed, gender I know it isn't worded that way and you didn't mean it that way but if you look at the stats it technically is

by Lammy 2y ago

> Rust joke is not attacking race, creed, gender I know it isn't worded that way and you didn't mean it that way but if you look at the stats it technically is https://blog.rust-lang.org/images/2024-02-rust-survey-2023/which-marginalized-group.png https://blog.rust-lang.org/images/2024-02-rust-survey-2023/w...

pipe01 2y ago
Only 1300 answers though, so that's a very small percentage of rust users
- _zagj 2y ago
  That's a 2.7% margin of error (1/sqrt(1300)).
- throw_me_uwu 2y ago
  1300 is a nice sample size if you're sampling randomly. If 1/3 of people have a trait, you'll get a good sense it's common after asking 300 people, even if the total population is a million. Surveying more gives diminishing returns as the result quickly converges on the real proportion. The real problem with all surveys is the sampling isn't truly random, which skews results.
dns_snek 2y ago
No it's not. It's "attacking" behavior (real or imagined) that's specific to the subgroup of "Rust developers". If I say "murderers suck", and 85% of murderers happen to be men, am I "attacking" men as a group?
- compiler1410 2y ago
  >If I say "murderers suck", and 85% of murderers happen to be men, am I "attacking" men as a group? No, but what's disgusting is that both sides of the argument will come up with different reasons why it's not.
Saturnial22 2y ago
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themaninthedark 2y ago
I would consider that statistic meaningless without seeing the question. For starters, I don't see "I don't consider myself a member of a minority or under represented group".
_zagj 2y ago
A THIRD of all Rust devs are trans?
- Lockal 2y ago
  No, only 5% (31% out of 17%) out of people who participate in DEI surveys, see full post https://blog.rust-lang.org/2024/02/19/2023-Rust-Annual-Survey-2023-results.html https://blog.rust-lang.org/2024/02/19/2023-Rust-Annual-Surve...
- defrost 2y ago
  Transitioned from C. The percentage is greater but few will admit to it.
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    Nonsense. People are born to use only two kinds of programming languages: either those which everyone complains about, or those which no one else uses. Never the twain shall meet.
    - defrost 2y ago
      Even TypeScript Exclusionary Rabid FORTRAN coders have 'experimented' with Haskell after dark.
- xooxo 2y ago
  Yes but that mostly includes those who've attached themselves to fashionable identity groups, and not just the much, much smaller number of those medically diagnosed, the latter of whom aren't just following a trend.
  - _zagj 2y ago
    It's still striking. The national average of people self-identifying as trans/non-binary is only 1.6%: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/06/07/about-5-of-young-adults-in-the-u-s-say-their-gender-is-different-from-their-sex-assigned-at-birth/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/06/07/about-5-o... Even if you only compare with the 18-29 demographic, where the prevalence is higher at 5.6%, it's still 6x as high in the Rust community.

by Lammy 2y ago

pipe01 2y ago

Only 1300 answers though, so that's a very small percentage of rust users

_zagj 2y ago
That's a 2.7% margin of error (1/sqrt(1300)).
throw_me_uwu 2y ago
1300 is a nice sample size if you're sampling randomly. If 1/3 of people have a trait, you'll get a good sense it's common after asking 300 people, even if the total population is a million. Surveying more gives diminishing returns as the result quickly converges on the real proportion. The real problem with all surveys is the sampling isn't truly random, which skews results.

dns_snek 2y ago

No it's not. It's "attacking" behavior (real or imagined) that's specific to the subgroup of "Rust developers". If I say "murderers suck", and 85% of murderers happen to be men, am I "attacking" men as a group?

compiler1410 2y ago
>If I say "murderers suck", and 85% of murderers happen to be men, am I "attacking" men as a group? No, but what's disgusting is that both sides of the argument will come up with different reasons why it's not.

Saturnial22 2y ago

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themaninthedark 2y ago

I would consider that statistic meaningless without seeing the question. For starters, I don't see "I don't consider myself a member of a minority or under represented group".

_zagj 2y ago

A THIRD of all Rust devs are trans?

Lockal 2y ago
No, only 5% (31% out of 17%) out of people who participate in DEI surveys, see full post https://blog.rust-lang.org/2024/02/19/2023-Rust-Annual-Survey-2023-results.html https://blog.rust-lang.org/2024/02/19/2023-Rust-Annual-Surve...
defrost 2y ago
Transitioned from C. The percentage is greater but few will admit to it.
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  Nonsense. People are born to use only two kinds of programming languages: either those which everyone complains about, or those which no one else uses. Never the twain shall meet.
  - defrost 2y ago
    Even TypeScript Exclusionary Rabid FORTRAN coders have 'experimented' with Haskell after dark.
xooxo 2y ago
Yes but that mostly includes those who've attached themselves to fashionable identity groups, and not just the much, much smaller number of those medically diagnosed, the latter of whom aren't just following a trend.
- _zagj 2y ago
  It's still striking. The national average of people self-identifying as trans/non-binary is only 1.6%: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/06/07/about-5-of-young-adults-in-the-u-s-say-their-gender-is-different-from-their-sex-assigned-at-birth/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/06/07/about-5-o... Even if you only compare with the 18-29 demographic, where the prevalence is higher at 5.6%, it's still 6x as high in the Rust community.