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>subscribe ... and then immediately delete their accounts Sounds like credit card fraud to me. Bots using stolen cards to scrape OF content. Also easily verifi

>subscribe ... and then immediately delete their accounts Sounds like credit card fraud to me. Bots using stolen cards to scrape OF content. Also easily verifies that the number works before attempting a pricier purchase.

alsetmusic 2y ago
> Sounds like credit card fraud to me. Bots using stolen cards to scrape OF content. Also easily verifies that the number works before attempting a pricier purchase. I’ve subscribed for one month to two different creators just to check the content. Neither was interesting enough to maintain a subscription. I don’t think the described behavior sounds nefarious.
- taikobo 2y ago
  The part that they delete their account immediately afterwards?
  - paulryanrogers 2y ago
    Perhaps to avoid unintended rebill or make it less likely for a loved one to discover it.
  - aqme28 2y ago
    Buyers remorse after purchasing pornography? I don't know why you're surprised.
    - yamazakiwi 2y ago
      Or regular embarrassment, or I don't want to "get in" to onlyfans, just this one time then I'll delete.
    - luckylion 2y ago
      I suppose that hinges on what "a lot" means in that comment. If it's "a lot" in absolute values, that's very plausible. If it's "a lot" as a percentage, OnlyFans would have to have a high rate of account closures.
      - qingcharles 2y ago
        OK, I asked. "A lot" is about 20%.
  - rockinghigh 2y ago
    Probably a combination of being a subscription model with auto-renewal and people regretting wasting money for this type of content.
knodi123 2y ago
Sounds like it, and I'm sure it is sometimes... but it's also legitimate behavior from people struggling with guilt or self-actualization. At least as far as internal fraud detection, a lot of sites like these have had to re-think what kind of behavior is a red flag. For instance, it's also common for sellers to have multiple separate identities on these sites, where they may re-sell the same content but they act as totally different personalities. On any other site, like say Facebook, that would definitely be a fraud indicator. On adult sites.... less so!
paulryanrogers 2y ago
IME testers do the minimum to get a purchase go / no-go then immediately drop off. They don't bother trying to automate clean up.
MisterBastahrd 2y ago
Sounds like normal human behavior. The problem with subscription sites like that is that paying for a month's subscription gives you access to the entire backlog of the work that a person has been doing for years. There's only so much that an OF model is gonna be able to do in terms of posing before they've done all the angles that someone would want to see. Why pay for repetitive content when you can just pay for a month and download everything, wait a year, and then do it again? If these sites were smart, they'd implement a 3 month rolling backlog and then a set add-on price for accessing additional months worth of content.
- qingcharles 2y ago
  That actually sounds like a smart system. It would also increase the barrier for those who log in just to scrape the whole profile and upload it elsewhere.
  - jonathanlydall 2y ago
    Article points out that some OF creators do exactly this, certain content is gated to subscribers who’ve been around for a minimum duration.
- Ekaros 2y ago
  Also I wonder if there is something per account anti-scraping... So you might be able to scrape everything with single account, but if you hit multiple models there is some limits? Never used OF, but could be a some limitation.
- HappMacDonald 2y ago
  Hmm.. or "$x per month of backlog" along with each month of new content. So basic tier of $x/mo gets to see content from the previous ~30 days. But if they stay subscribed, they get to see the upcoming month .. and the month from before they subscribed. Hang out another month, get the next month as it happens and the month 2 steps before subscription for a total of 5. That way staying subscribed slowly opens both past and future in lockstep. Pay for the $2x pro plan? Be getting 2 or 3 months of past content with each new month of future content that elapses.
qingcharles 2y ago
She's had essentially zero chargebacks that I know of. She's tried to figure out if it is just guys in relationships who want to check her out and then clear up all the traces?
numpad0 2y ago
I feel the same, but I also feel that the desired levels of staged human intimacy actually depends on cohorts, as in it's probably not what large bulk of the users are looking for.

alsetmusic 2y ago

> Sounds like credit card fraud to me. Bots using stolen cards to scrape OF content. Also easily verifies that the number works before attempting a pricier purchase. I’ve subscribed for one month to two different creators just to check the content. Neither was interesting enough to maintain a subscription. I don’t think the described behavior sounds nefarious.

taikobo 2y ago
The part that they delete their account immediately afterwards?
- paulryanrogers 2y ago
  Perhaps to avoid unintended rebill or make it less likely for a loved one to discover it.
- aqme28 2y ago
  Buyers remorse after purchasing pornography? I don't know why you're surprised.
  - yamazakiwi 2y ago
    Or regular embarrassment, or I don't want to "get in" to onlyfans, just this one time then I'll delete.
  - luckylion 2y ago
    I suppose that hinges on what "a lot" means in that comment. If it's "a lot" in absolute values, that's very plausible. If it's "a lot" as a percentage, OnlyFans would have to have a high rate of account closures.
    - qingcharles 2y ago
      OK, I asked. "A lot" is about 20%.
- rockinghigh 2y ago
  Probably a combination of being a subscription model with auto-renewal and people regretting wasting money for this type of content.

knodi123 2y ago

Sounds like it, and I'm sure it is sometimes... but it's also legitimate behavior from people struggling with guilt or self-actualization. At least as far as internal fraud detection, a lot of sites like these have had to re-think what kind of behavior is a red flag. For instance, it's also common for sellers to have multiple separate identities on these sites, where they may re-sell the same content but they act as totally different personalities. On any other site, like say Facebook, that would definitely be a fraud indicator. On adult sites.... less so!

paulryanrogers 2y ago

IME testers do the minimum to get a purchase go / no-go then immediately drop off. They don't bother trying to automate clean up.

MisterBastahrd 2y ago

Sounds like normal human behavior. The problem with subscription sites like that is that paying for a month's subscription gives you access to the entire backlog of the work that a person has been doing for years. There's only so much that an OF model is gonna be able to do in terms of posing before they've done all the angles that someone would want to see. Why pay for repetitive content when you can just pay for a month and download everything, wait a year, and then do it again? If these sites were smart, they'd implement a 3 month rolling backlog and then a set add-on price for accessing additional months worth of content.

qingcharles 2y ago
That actually sounds like a smart system. It would also increase the barrier for those who log in just to scrape the whole profile and upload it elsewhere.
- jonathanlydall 2y ago
  Article points out that some OF creators do exactly this, certain content is gated to subscribers who’ve been around for a minimum duration.
Ekaros 2y ago
Also I wonder if there is something per account anti-scraping... So you might be able to scrape everything with single account, but if you hit multiple models there is some limits? Never used OF, but could be a some limitation.
HappMacDonald 2y ago
Hmm.. or "$x per month of backlog" along with each month of new content. So basic tier of $x/mo gets to see content from the previous ~30 days. But if they stay subscribed, they get to see the upcoming month .. and the month from before they subscribed. Hang out another month, get the next month as it happens and the month 2 steps before subscription for a total of 5. That way staying subscribed slowly opens both past and future in lockstep. Pay for the $2x pro plan? Be getting 2 or 3 months of past content with each new month of future content that elapses.

qingcharles 2y ago

She's had essentially zero chargebacks that I know of. She's tried to figure out if it is just guys in relationships who want to check her out and then clear up all the traces?

numpad0 2y ago

I feel the same, but I also feel that the desired levels of staged human intimacy actually depends on cohorts, as in it's probably not what large bulk of the users are looking for.