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Unlike the idea I’ve initially got from reading some of the comments here, the workers aren’t striking for long overdue measures that will save the company and

Unlike the idea I’ve initially got from reading some of the comments here, the workers aren’t striking for long overdue measures that will save the company and get engineers back in charge of Boeing. They are striking to get the biggest share possible of the pie before Boeing completely crumbles down. Reading the news, there isn’t a single demand from the workers that’s about trying to get the company back on its feet.

VerminOctopus1 2y ago
And why would they demand that? That’s management’s responsibility. The workers want fair compensation for their labor.
- ericd 2y ago
  Because they have a set of specialized skills with only a few potential buyers, and if they kill this one, they’ll have very limited options that use their skills without massively uprooting their lives.
  - coldpie 2y ago
    The workers aren't the ones killing the company.
    - droopyEyelids 2y ago
      This is obviously true but one of the biggest privileges of management is being able to deny this specific bit of reality
    - ericd 2y ago
      If you reread what I was replying to, I was saying they might want to demand changes to management because it’s in their best interest to demand those changes, focusing only on short term benefit to themselves is harmful to their long term best interest. And organized labor does have the power to severely damage the companies they’re part of it’s not all one group or the other.
      - coldpie 2y ago
        That's up to the bosses to figure out. If your business can't find employees to do the work at the compensation rate you're offering, then your business has failed. It may even be that your line of business is unviable in the current economy. That's not the employees' fault, that's just business.
jjulius 2y ago
... you do know that unions historically support workers, not companies?
TheBigSalad 2y ago
This reads like someone just spouting off a preconceived notion. How much are they making now? What are they looking to make? What do you think is reasonable? The AP article says the union salaries haven't been visited in 16 years.
Nemo_bis 2y ago
If you're interested in the union's proposals for those "long overdue measures", obviously you don't ask the WSJ. > No one understands safety better than the very workers who meticulously build these planes every single day. That's why we must have a voice in the company's safety initiatives, as our livelihoods depend on it. Our Members are experts - they know how to build the best airplanes in the world, and they are the ones who will bring this company back on track. > > We spent Saturday drafting and proposing a new safety and quality framework that provides Union involvement and input into the Quality Management System, ensuring we protect the integrity of our production system. We know that the only way to ensure Boeing makes the right decisions is to have a seat at the table when critical decisions about quality, safety, and new product developments are made. Having a voice at the highest levels can and will influence changes. That's what we are trying to do in this contract. We are proposing these articles for the first time in our history and know that our Members' voice is critical in this effort. https://www.iam751.org/?zone=/unionactive/private_view_page.cfm&page=IAM2FBoeing20Contract202024 https://www.iam751.org/?zone=/unionactive/private_view_page....

VerminOctopus1 2y ago

And why would they demand that? That’s management’s responsibility. The workers want fair compensation for their labor.

ericd 2y ago
Because they have a set of specialized skills with only a few potential buyers, and if they kill this one, they’ll have very limited options that use their skills without massively uprooting their lives.
- coldpie 2y ago
  The workers aren't the ones killing the company.
  - droopyEyelids 2y ago
    This is obviously true but one of the biggest privileges of management is being able to deny this specific bit of reality
  - ericd 2y ago
    If you reread what I was replying to, I was saying they might want to demand changes to management because it’s in their best interest to demand those changes, focusing only on short term benefit to themselves is harmful to their long term best interest. And organized labor does have the power to severely damage the companies they’re part of it’s not all one group or the other.
    - coldpie 2y ago
      That's up to the bosses to figure out. If your business can't find employees to do the work at the compensation rate you're offering, then your business has failed. It may even be that your line of business is unviable in the current economy. That's not the employees' fault, that's just business.

jjulius 2y ago

... you do know that unions historically support workers, not companies?

TheBigSalad 2y ago

This reads like someone just spouting off a preconceived notion. How much are they making now? What are they looking to make? What do you think is reasonable? The AP article says the union salaries haven't been visited in 16 years.

Nemo_bis 2y ago

If you're interested in the union's proposals for those "long overdue measures", obviously you don't ask the WSJ. > No one understands safety better than the very workers who meticulously build these planes every single day. That's why we must have a voice in the company's safety initiatives, as our livelihoods depend on it. Our Members are experts - they know how to build the best airplanes in the world, and they are the ones who will bring this company back on track. > > We spent Saturday drafting and proposing a new safety and quality framework that provides Union involvement and input into the Quality Management System, ensuring we protect the integrity of our production system. We know that the only way to ensure Boeing makes the right decisions is to have a seat at the table when critical decisions about quality, safety, and new product developments are made. Having a voice at the highest levels can and will influence changes. That's what we are trying to do in this contract. We are proposing these articles for the first time in our history and know that our Members' voice is critical in this effort. https://www.iam751.org/?zone=/unionactive/private_view_page.cfm&page=IAM2FBoeing20Contract202024 https://www.iam751.org/?zone=/unionactive/private_view_page....