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This is not about gender or sex. This is about any person creating damage for their future selves online. Whether you like it or not, people running businesses

by alt227 2y ago

This is not about gender or sex. This is about any person creating damage for their future selves online. Whether you like it or not, people running businesses and hiring people, or school teachers etc, have opinions and views of their own. These factor into their decisions when they are interacting with you through daily life. If somebody who takes a dim view of promiscuity sees that you have an only fans account, they are going to immediately have bias in any decisions that involve you. This is just a fact of life, and nothing to do with the gross reduction of 'women needing to be pure'.

habinero 2y ago
That's true for every part of the human experience. People discriminate because of religion, etc. Sounds like you care too much about what other people think of you. Anyways, my point is this sort of thing is rapidly becoming something nobody cares about, and that's due to feminism and it's a good thing.
- benterix 2y ago
  While I somewhat agree with you, feminism and related ideologies created a whole new network of concepts of what is good and wrong, and these can bite you as much as the old prejudices. A good example is the Harry Potter lady: while I don't necessarily agree with her view, I do understand her concern and the right to express it - but for many people it's a criminal offense. Almost as if we replaced one cage with another.
  - prmoustache 2y ago
    What are "related ideologies" of feminism? By all accounts, JK Rowling hasn't suffered any negative consequence of her transphobia, she has even marketed it and is benefiting from it: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ink-Black-Heart-Robert-Galbraith-ebook/dp/B09QKMT5W6 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ink-Black-Heart-Robert-Galbraith-eb... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Troubled-Blood-Cormoran-Strike-5-ebook/dp/B084VPR3N2 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Troubled-Blood-Cormoran-Strike-5-eb... And Harry Potter merchandising and derived works are still selling like pancakes.
    - defrost 2y ago
      Troubled Blood isn't marketing transphobia save in the mind of a reviewer with an axe to grind wrt Rowling's public statements. The wikipedia page outlines the charge that it contains "pernicious anti-trans tropes" and continues: Nick Cohen, writing for The Spectator, argued that the transphobia accusations were baseless and slanderous, noting that Dennis Creed is investigated along with a dozen other suspects. He also stated that the book does not engage in the politics of women-only spaces and access to gender reassignment treatments. Alison Flood, writing for The Guardian, expressed similar views, arguing that people who have not read the book were making wrong assumptions based on a single review. Allan Massie, writing for The Scotsman, stated of the character of Creed that "there is no suggestion that he was transgender". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Blood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Blood
      - prmoustache 2y ago
        The point is not that these books include transphobia or not, the point is she chose to include transgender characters after all the drama on twitter relating to her likes and accounts she folllowed/supported. She definitely used all that drama to sell books and benefited from it.
        defrost 2y ago
        > the point is she chose to include transgender characters Which character in Troubled Blood is transgender? Is there a transgender character in The Ink Black Heart ? It's not Dennis Creed as I recall from my reading some time past, certainly not Edie Ledwell. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41536875 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41536875
        trnetntont 2y ago
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        defrost 2y ago
  - habinero 2y ago
    If JKR is your worst example of feminism, we're just fine. She's extremely wealthy, popular, and 100% not in jail.
  - mrguyorama 2y ago
    >the right to express it - but for many people it's a criminal offense No it wasn't. Even in the UK, a supposed hellscape of unfree speech, she only finally got into any trouble when she repeatedly told outright and trivially knowable lies about another person. There's no guarantee she loses that court case either, so she hasn't exactly faced any repercussions for her speech. Companies are still making boatloads of harry potter content and it still sells like hotcakes.
  - bigstrat2003 2y ago
    This is 100% correct. We haven't become more enlightened and tolerant, we have simply exchanged what we don't tolerate. That may or may not be good, but it certainly isn't worth patting ourselves on the back as if we're somehow better than our forebears.
- alt227 2y ago
  Thats the whole point, that some people view promiscuity and sexualising ones self no differently to smelling bad, or wearing scruffy clothes, or having a negative attitude. Its just another trait which some people view dimly.
- graemep 2y ago
  > People discriminate because of religion, etc Which is illegal in most places.
  - habinero 2y ago
    Only for certain protected activities like employment or housing, otherwise it's entirely legal to be a bigot.
standardUser 2y ago
People used to say the same about getting divorced or getting a tattoo or having a child "out of wedlock" (even the terminology sound hopelessly outdated). Maybe think about which side of history you prefer to be on.
- alt227 2y ago
  These things you mentioned are all still looked on negatively by some people. My grandma curses 'bastards' and children 'out of wedlock'. People still lose out on jobs for having face and neck tattoos, its in the media regularly. In exactly the same way as having an OF account, its up to the person doing these things to judge the consequences of whether they are happy with some people in the world looking down on them.
  - standardUser 2y ago
    > These things you mentioned are all still looked on negatively by some people. I don't know anyone who has been denied a job or an opportunity because of those issues. I also don't know anyone who has been denied an opportunity because they made adult content. Does it happen? Absolutley. Is it crippling to the point of ostracization? Not even close. If anything, being able to filter out people who would look down on those attributes/experiences is increasingly becoming a net positive. I wouldn't wan to associate with someone who disparaged people because they have a piecing or like to take naked photos.
    - alt227 2y ago
      There was a big news story about this happening literally the other day https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/tiktok-tattooed-woman-tjmaxx-job-b2533436.html https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/tiktok-tattooed-wom... > Is it crippling to the point of ostracization? Nobody is arguing that it is, I think you are taking this a bit too far. All anybody has said is that some people have a dim view of sex work, thats it, and its true. Stop trying to extrapolate and assume further than the point in question. > being able to filter out people who would look down on those attributes/experiences is increasingly becoming a net positive And there I was foolishly thinking we were all trying to move to a more tolerant and accepting world. Thats an incrdibly devisive opinion and is the basis for cancel culture. I for one would rather try to understand peoples opionins and discuss it with them rather than to 'filter them out'. > I wouldn't wan to associate with someone who disparaged people because they have a piecing or like to take naked photos. Then we are very different people. I will associate with anybody, and try to find the best in them along with some common ground to work on together. Want a better world? You can only change peoples minds with kindness.

by alt227 2y ago

habinero 2y ago

That's true for every part of the human experience. People discriminate because of religion, etc. Sounds like you care too much about what other people think of you. Anyways, my point is this sort of thing is rapidly becoming something nobody cares about, and that's due to feminism and it's a good thing.

benterix 2y ago
While I somewhat agree with you, feminism and related ideologies created a whole new network of concepts of what is good and wrong, and these can bite you as much as the old prejudices. A good example is the Harry Potter lady: while I don't necessarily agree with her view, I do understand her concern and the right to express it - but for many people it's a criminal offense. Almost as if we replaced one cage with another.
- prmoustache 2y ago
  What are "related ideologies" of feminism? By all accounts, JK Rowling hasn't suffered any negative consequence of her transphobia, she has even marketed it and is benefiting from it: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ink-Black-Heart-Robert-Galbraith-ebook/dp/B09QKMT5W6 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ink-Black-Heart-Robert-Galbraith-eb... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Troubled-Blood-Cormoran-Strike-5-ebook/dp/B084VPR3N2 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Troubled-Blood-Cormoran-Strike-5-eb... And Harry Potter merchandising and derived works are still selling like pancakes.
  - defrost 2y ago
    Troubled Blood isn't marketing transphobia save in the mind of a reviewer with an axe to grind wrt Rowling's public statements. The wikipedia page outlines the charge that it contains "pernicious anti-trans tropes" and continues: Nick Cohen, writing for The Spectator, argued that the transphobia accusations were baseless and slanderous, noting that Dennis Creed is investigated along with a dozen other suspects. He also stated that the book does not engage in the politics of women-only spaces and access to gender reassignment treatments. Alison Flood, writing for The Guardian, expressed similar views, arguing that people who have not read the book were making wrong assumptions based on a single review. Allan Massie, writing for The Scotsman, stated of the character of Creed that "there is no suggestion that he was transgender". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Blood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Blood
    - prmoustache 2y ago
      The point is not that these books include transphobia or not, the point is she chose to include transgender characters after all the drama on twitter relating to her likes and accounts she folllowed/supported. She definitely used all that drama to sell books and benefited from it.
      - defrost 2y ago
        > the point is she chose to include transgender characters Which character in Troubled Blood is transgender? Is there a transgender character in The Ink Black Heart ? It's not Dennis Creed as I recall from my reading some time past, certainly not Edie Ledwell. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41536875 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41536875
        trnetntont 2y ago
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        defrost 2y ago
- habinero 2y ago
  If JKR is your worst example of feminism, we're just fine. She's extremely wealthy, popular, and 100% not in jail.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  >the right to express it - but for many people it's a criminal offense No it wasn't. Even in the UK, a supposed hellscape of unfree speech, she only finally got into any trouble when she repeatedly told outright and trivially knowable lies about another person. There's no guarantee she loses that court case either, so she hasn't exactly faced any repercussions for her speech. Companies are still making boatloads of harry potter content and it still sells like hotcakes.
- bigstrat2003 2y ago
  This is 100% correct. We haven't become more enlightened and tolerant, we have simply exchanged what we don't tolerate. That may or may not be good, but it certainly isn't worth patting ourselves on the back as if we're somehow better than our forebears.
alt227 2y ago
Thats the whole point, that some people view promiscuity and sexualising ones self no differently to smelling bad, or wearing scruffy clothes, or having a negative attitude. Its just another trait which some people view dimly.
graemep 2y ago
> People discriminate because of religion, etc Which is illegal in most places.
- habinero 2y ago
  Only for certain protected activities like employment or housing, otherwise it's entirely legal to be a bigot.

standardUser 2y ago

People used to say the same about getting divorced or getting a tattoo or having a child "out of wedlock" (even the terminology sound hopelessly outdated). Maybe think about which side of history you prefer to be on.

alt227 2y ago
These things you mentioned are all still looked on negatively by some people. My grandma curses 'bastards' and children 'out of wedlock'. People still lose out on jobs for having face and neck tattoos, its in the media regularly. In exactly the same way as having an OF account, its up to the person doing these things to judge the consequences of whether they are happy with some people in the world looking down on them.
- standardUser 2y ago
  > These things you mentioned are all still looked on negatively by some people. I don't know anyone who has been denied a job or an opportunity because of those issues. I also don't know anyone who has been denied an opportunity because they made adult content. Does it happen? Absolutley. Is it crippling to the point of ostracization? Not even close. If anything, being able to filter out people who would look down on those attributes/experiences is increasingly becoming a net positive. I wouldn't wan to associate with someone who disparaged people because they have a piecing or like to take naked photos.
  - alt227 2y ago
    There was a big news story about this happening literally the other day https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/tiktok-tattooed-woman-tjmaxx-job-b2533436.html https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/tiktok-tattooed-wom... > Is it crippling to the point of ostracization? Nobody is arguing that it is, I think you are taking this a bit too far. All anybody has said is that some people have a dim view of sex work, thats it, and its true. Stop trying to extrapolate and assume further than the point in question. > being able to filter out people who would look down on those attributes/experiences is increasingly becoming a net positive And there I was foolishly thinking we were all trying to move to a more tolerant and accepting world. Thats an incrdibly devisive opinion and is the basis for cancel culture. I for one would rather try to understand peoples opionins and discuss it with them rather than to 'filter them out'. > I wouldn't wan to associate with someone who disparaged people because they have a piecing or like to take naked photos. Then we are very different people. I will associate with anybody, and try to find the best in them along with some common ground to work on together. Want a better world? You can only change peoples minds with kindness.