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I find myself a little sad at how lucrative a job this will appear for an entire generation. $1500 average creator pay is higher than 40 hours a week minimum wa

I find myself a little sad at how lucrative a job this will appear for an entire generation. $1500 average creator pay is higher than 40 hours a week minimum wage.

MostlyStable 2y ago
That's $1500 annually for the average creator, and due to concentration at the top, the median take home is going to be even lower than that.
- tazu 2y ago
  Yes, it's misleading to share averages for power-law distributions. Median take home pay is probably $20 annually.
- kylehotchkiss 2y ago
  Doh! I read that as monthly. My bad.
- animal531 2y ago
  The thing that should be really worrying for new OF creators should be how that value is dropping per year. It (along with the growing revenue) tells us that a lot more people are joining constantly, so you will really need to stand out to make anything (just as in music, games etc.)
dragonwriter 2y ago
> $1500 average creator pay is higher than 40 hours a week minimum wage. Only in jurisdictions where minimum wage is less than $0.72/hr.
Barrin92 2y ago
I don't. People get to take home 80% of what they make, have full control over their work and it eliminates the biggest drawback of sex work which is safety issues. The day when enough people have a way to opt out of grueling min wage work is probably when it's finally automated or at least people get treated better.
- williamdclt 2y ago
  > it eliminates the biggest drawback of sex work which is safety issues It certainly reduces it a lot and your point is valid, but let’s note that it doesn’t “eliminate” it: doxxing and stalking are very much a thing and my OF creator friends live in flatshare or have building security for safety reasons
evantbyrne 2y ago
Who do you know that's making $9/hour avg today? That's what I was earning at a student job back in 2010.
- kylehotchkiss 2y ago
  16 states still have minimum wage at $7.25/hour https://www.ncsl.org/labor-and-employment/state-minimum-wages https://www.ncsl.org/labor-and-employment/state-minimum-wage... and I presume there still exist employers who don’t offer much more.
  - paxys 2y ago
    Federal minimum wage is largely an irrelevant number. <1% of hourly workers in the country are making minimum wage. And most of those are making below minimum wage (under the table), so their wage would remain low even if the government raised the number.
    - BizarroLand 2y ago
      It seems to be 1.3% of all hourly workers: https://usafacts.org/articles/minimum-wage-america-how-many-people-are-earning-725-hour/ https://usafacts.org/articles/minimum-wage-america-how-many-... However, that figure doesn't include the people who make a dime over minimum wage. 23.3% of American households earn less than $35,000/yr https://www.statista.com/statistics/203183/percentage-distribution-of-household-income-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/203183/percentage-distri... This number would decrease dramatically if our national minimum wage was raised to $15 or more per hour.
      - IncreasePosts 2y ago
        Why should there be a national minimum wage? Cost of living varies so much, it is impossible to derive a figure that is reasonable for the highest cost of living areas and the lowest cost of living areas.
eleveriven 2y ago
I think it's also the question about how this type of work is viewed in society

I find myself a little sad at how lucrative a job this will appear for an entire generation. $1500 average creator pay is higher than 40 hours a week minimum wage.

MostlyStable 2y ago

That's $1500 annually for the average creator, and due to concentration at the top, the median take home is going to be even lower than that.

tazu 2y ago
Yes, it's misleading to share averages for power-law distributions. Median take home pay is probably $20 annually.
kylehotchkiss 2y ago
Doh! I read that as monthly. My bad.
animal531 2y ago
The thing that should be really worrying for new OF creators should be how that value is dropping per year. It (along with the growing revenue) tells us that a lot more people are joining constantly, so you will really need to stand out to make anything (just as in music, games etc.)

dragonwriter 2y ago

> $1500 average creator pay is higher than 40 hours a week minimum wage. Only in jurisdictions where minimum wage is less than $0.72/hr.

Barrin92 2y ago

I don't. People get to take home 80% of what they make, have full control over their work and it eliminates the biggest drawback of sex work which is safety issues. The day when enough people have a way to opt out of grueling min wage work is probably when it's finally automated or at least people get treated better.

williamdclt 2y ago
> it eliminates the biggest drawback of sex work which is safety issues It certainly reduces it a lot and your point is valid, but let’s note that it doesn’t “eliminate” it: doxxing and stalking are very much a thing and my OF creator friends live in flatshare or have building security for safety reasons

evantbyrne 2y ago

Who do you know that's making $9/hour avg today? That's what I was earning at a student job back in 2010.

kylehotchkiss 2y ago
16 states still have minimum wage at $7.25/hour https://www.ncsl.org/labor-and-employment/state-minimum-wages https://www.ncsl.org/labor-and-employment/state-minimum-wage... and I presume there still exist employers who don’t offer much more.
- paxys 2y ago
  Federal minimum wage is largely an irrelevant number. <1% of hourly workers in the country are making minimum wage. And most of those are making below minimum wage (under the table), so their wage would remain low even if the government raised the number.
  - BizarroLand 2y ago
    It seems to be 1.3% of all hourly workers: https://usafacts.org/articles/minimum-wage-america-how-many-people-are-earning-725-hour/ https://usafacts.org/articles/minimum-wage-america-how-many-... However, that figure doesn't include the people who make a dime over minimum wage. 23.3% of American households earn less than $35,000/yr https://www.statista.com/statistics/203183/percentage-distribution-of-household-income-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/203183/percentage-distri... This number would decrease dramatically if our national minimum wage was raised to $15 or more per hour.
    - IncreasePosts 2y ago
      Why should there be a national minimum wage? Cost of living varies so much, it is impossible to derive a figure that is reasonable for the highest cost of living areas and the lowest cost of living areas.

eleveriven 2y ago

I think it's also the question about how this type of work is viewed in society