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> Ctrl+S (which freezes your terminal and then you need to remember to press Ctrl+Q to unfreeze it What is this? Sorry in advance if it’s some basic Linux thin

> Ctrl+S (which freezes your terminal and then you need to remember to press Ctrl+Q to unfreeze it What is this? Sorry in advance if it’s some basic Linux thing. I do my development on macOS with iterm2.

Alupis 2y ago
It seems its probably more of a shell thing, than a linux thing. I've never run into this as an issue before, but I would wager it's the "Save" muscle memory which unexpectedly causes this issue for some people.
- corytheboyd 2y ago
  Oh yeah the save muscle memory is burned into me too, despite having save-on-blur enabled for the last decade. More wondering under what context ctrl-s is having an effect on shell, and what that effect actually is. Is it bg/fg shenanigans?
  - Alupis 2y ago
    Some fine folks over on the Unix & Linux StackExchange seem to have offered an explanation to this question[1]. [1] https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/137842/what-is-the-point-of-ctrl-s https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/137842/what-is-the-...
sfink 2y ago
It predates Linux by a lot. It's software flow control for ancient terminals and modems that couldn't keep up, so they'd use in-band ^S and ^Q characters to manage the input and output. rms also hated it, to the extent that he intentionally used Ctrl-S for the most basic search function of Emacs so that people would have to turn off the ^S/^Q crap throughout the path from the program to their terminal, or they wouldn't be able to use emacs. (Or at least so I've heard; I tried searching for confirmation but failed to find it.)
- Alupis 2y ago
  This sounds like something rms would do, but also seems like a great way to turn people off to your text editor. If you haven't learned Emacs before, are you really going to put up with broken-by-design behavior?
- corytheboyd 2y ago
  Wow I had no idea about this, thank you for chiming in!
dontdieych 2y ago
I've never used `ctrl+s` for control stdout flow. In fish shell, `ctrl+s` used to 'search in completion candidates list' - ls <tab><ctrl+s> - for search path/file names - ls -<tab><ctrl+s>` - for search in options Especially second one, it's quite handy most times than search through long man page.

Alupis 2y ago

It seems its probably more of a shell thing, than a linux thing. I've never run into this as an issue before, but I would wager it's the "Save" muscle memory which unexpectedly causes this issue for some people.

corytheboyd 2y ago
Oh yeah the save muscle memory is burned into me too, despite having save-on-blur enabled for the last decade. More wondering under what context ctrl-s is having an effect on shell, and what that effect actually is. Is it bg/fg shenanigans?
- Alupis 2y ago
  Some fine folks over on the Unix & Linux StackExchange seem to have offered an explanation to this question[1]. [1] https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/137842/what-is-the-point-of-ctrl-s https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/137842/what-is-the-...

sfink 2y ago

It predates Linux by a lot. It's software flow control for ancient terminals and modems that couldn't keep up, so they'd use in-band ^S and ^Q characters to manage the input and output. rms also hated it, to the extent that he intentionally used Ctrl-S for the most basic search function of Emacs so that people would have to turn off the ^S/^Q crap throughout the path from the program to their terminal, or they wouldn't be able to use emacs. (Or at least so I've heard; I tried searching for confirmation but failed to find it.)

Alupis 2y ago
This sounds like something rms would do, but also seems like a great way to turn people off to your text editor. If you haven't learned Emacs before, are you really going to put up with broken-by-design behavior?
corytheboyd 2y ago
Wow I had no idea about this, thank you for chiming in!

dontdieych 2y ago

I've never used `ctrl+s` for control stdout flow. In fish shell, `ctrl+s` used to 'search in completion candidates list' - ls <tab><ctrl+s> - for search path/file names - ls -<tab><ctrl+s>` - for search in options Especially second one, it's quite handy most times than search through long man page.