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They released airtags without thinking about stalking, so I'm not that shocked.

thebruce87m 2y ago
This has to be a lie made on purpose since it is so easily proven wrong. Here is the keynote: https://www.youtube.com/live/JdBYVNuky1M?si=46vw7FG3SjWWBezn https://www.youtube.com/live/JdBYVNuky1M?si=46vw7FG3SjWWBezn 9.25 is when they talk about unwanted tracking.
- KaiserPro 2y ago
  Ok, if you want me to be more specific. (Given that we are talking about keynotes, which are, by design, marketing mistruths. ) They thought a bit about stalking, but not enough to alter the experience, or release tools for non-apple owners to avoid being tracked. Sure, there are some "industry leading features" but no-one else in industry decided to co-opt a network of ~1 billion devices to provide location updates. Sure Apple made it very difficult to track an airtag on a person, for the owner's privacy. But that also means that the non-owner is less able to find it. It takes about 3-5 days (although its been up to two weeks in some cases) before my various iphones twig that an errant airtag is with me. Now you might see me as someone who is anti apple, or has an agenda against apple. Thats not the case. The issue is, when you create a device like this, and marry it to such a capable platform, you have to own the side effects. It took something like _6 months_ to release an android airtag detector. Which means it was very much an after thought. Had they talked to any Domestic Violence support groups, they would have told them very clearly how these devices would be used. (I suspect they did, but that would destroy the product vision too much, so it was downgraded. )
nicolas_17 2y ago
What?? It had much better anti-stalking features at launch than its competitors like Tile.
- KaiserPro 2y ago
  I wasn't aware that tile blocked an entire phone operating system from detecting their product. Tile also has the advantage of not being able to provide any useful location data less than a few hundred meters (unless you use the beeper) The spatial resolution that airtags are capable of, because of the network of iOS devices that were auto enrolled is far far greater than the shit that tile could hope to dream of.
  - preciousoo 2y ago
    Did Tile (or any similar product) have infrastructure that allowed non-suspecting people to know that they were being tracked? AirTags had that
    - KaiserPro 2y ago
      only if you had an iphone. (that has now changed, belatedly.) just because tile is a fly by night type organisation, doesn't mean apple can get away with being so lacklustre about safety. They _knew_ that this was a risk, but didn't choose to mitigate it until much later on. Had they bothered to listen to the nagging voices, they wouldn't have been surprised.
      - preciousoo 2y ago
        Actually, well put. I agree

This has to be a lie made on purpose since it is so easily proven wrong. Here is the keynote: https://www.youtube.com/live/JdBYVNuky1M?si=46vw7FG3SjWWBezn https://www.youtube.com/live/JdBYVNuky1M?si=46vw7FG3SjWWBezn 9.25 is when they talk about unwanted tracking.

KaiserPro 2y ago
Ok, if you want me to be more specific. (Given that we are talking about keynotes, which are, by design, marketing mistruths. ) They thought a bit about stalking, but not enough to alter the experience, or release tools for non-apple owners to avoid being tracked. Sure, there are some "industry leading features" but no-one else in industry decided to co-opt a network of ~1 billion devices to provide location updates. Sure Apple made it very difficult to track an airtag on a person, for the owner's privacy. But that also means that the non-owner is less able to find it. It takes about 3-5 days (although its been up to two weeks in some cases) before my various iphones twig that an errant airtag is with me. Now you might see me as someone who is anti apple, or has an agenda against apple. Thats not the case. The issue is, when you create a device like this, and marry it to such a capable platform, you have to own the side effects. It took something like _6 months_ to release an android airtag detector. Which means it was very much an after thought. Had they talked to any Domestic Violence support groups, they would have told them very clearly how these devices would be used. (I suspect they did, but that would destroy the product vision too much, so it was downgraded. )

nicolas_17 2y ago

What?? It had much better anti-stalking features at launch than its competitors like Tile.

KaiserPro 2y ago
I wasn't aware that tile blocked an entire phone operating system from detecting their product. Tile also has the advantage of not being able to provide any useful location data less than a few hundred meters (unless you use the beeper) The spatial resolution that airtags are capable of, because of the network of iOS devices that were auto enrolled is far far greater than the shit that tile could hope to dream of.
- preciousoo 2y ago
  Did Tile (or any similar product) have infrastructure that allowed non-suspecting people to know that they were being tracked? AirTags had that
  - KaiserPro 2y ago
    only if you had an iphone. (that has now changed, belatedly.) just because tile is a fly by night type organisation, doesn't mean apple can get away with being so lacklustre about safety. They _knew_ that this was a risk, but didn't choose to mitigate it until much later on. Had they bothered to listen to the nagging voices, they wouldn't have been surprised.
    - preciousoo 2y ago
      Actually, well put. I agree