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But the technology is there. That is the concern.

simondw 2y ago
The technology to reproduce eye movements has been around since motion pictures were invented. I'm sure even a flat video stream of the user's face would leak similar information. Apple should have been more careful about allowing any eye motion information (including simple video) to flow out of a system where eye movements themselves are used for data input.
- FrustratedMonky 2y ago
  "technology to reproduce eye movements has been around since motion pictures were invented" Sure, but like everything. It is when it is widespread that the impact changes. The technology was around, but now it could be on everyone's face, tracking everything you look at. If this was added to TV's so every TV was tracking your eye-movements, and reporting that back to advertisers. There would be an outcry. So this is just the slow nudging us in that direction.
  - simondw 2y ago
    To be clear, the issue this article is talking about is essentially "during a video call the other party can see your eyes moving." I agree that we should be vigilant when big corps are adding more and more sensors into our lives, but Apple is absolutely not reporting tracked eye-movement data to advertisers, nor do they allow third-party apps to do that.
dialup_sounds 2y ago
It's not a problem with the technology. The problem is the edge case where it's used for two different things with different demands at the same time, and the fix is to...not do that. > Apple fixed the flaw in a Vision Pro software update at the end of July, which stops the sharing of a Persona if someone is using the virtual keyboard.
- FrustratedMonky 2y ago
  "fixed the flaw " Or "Ooopps, so sorry you caught us. Guess we'll have better luck keeping this hidden next time."
  - dialup_sounds 2y ago
    Keeping what hidden? Caught who? The eye-tracking technology is literally a core part of the platform. What is it you're trying to say?
    - FrustratedMonky 2y ago
      From articles first sentance: " lot about someone from their eyes. They can indicate how tired you are, the type of mood you’re in, and potentially provide clues about health problems. But your eyes could also leak more secretive information: your passwords, PINs, and messages you type." Do you want that shared with advertisers? With your health care provider? The article isn't about the technology, it is about sharing the data.
      - dagmx 2y ago
        How are they getting the data you claim is shared with them?
      - dialup_sounds 2y ago
        Who are you saying shared what data with whom?

The technology to reproduce eye movements has been around since motion pictures were invented. I'm sure even a flat video stream of the user's face would leak similar information. Apple should have been more careful about allowing any eye motion information (including simple video) to flow out of a system where eye movements themselves are used for data input.

FrustratedMonky 2y ago
"technology to reproduce eye movements has been around since motion pictures were invented" Sure, but like everything. It is when it is widespread that the impact changes. The technology was around, but now it could be on everyone's face, tracking everything you look at. If this was added to TV's so every TV was tracking your eye-movements, and reporting that back to advertisers. There would be an outcry. So this is just the slow nudging us in that direction.
- simondw 2y ago
  To be clear, the issue this article is talking about is essentially "during a video call the other party can see your eyes moving." I agree that we should be vigilant when big corps are adding more and more sensors into our lives, but Apple is absolutely not reporting tracked eye-movement data to advertisers, nor do they allow third-party apps to do that.

dialup_sounds 2y ago

It's not a problem with the technology. The problem is the edge case where it's used for two different things with different demands at the same time, and the fix is to...not do that. > Apple fixed the flaw in a Vision Pro software update at the end of July, which stops the sharing of a Persona if someone is using the virtual keyboard.

FrustratedMonky 2y ago
"fixed the flaw " Or "Ooopps, so sorry you caught us. Guess we'll have better luck keeping this hidden next time."
- dialup_sounds 2y ago
  Keeping what hidden? Caught who? The eye-tracking technology is literally a core part of the platform. What is it you're trying to say?
  - FrustratedMonky 2y ago
    From articles first sentance: " lot about someone from their eyes. They can indicate how tired you are, the type of mood you’re in, and potentially provide clues about health problems. But your eyes could also leak more secretive information: your passwords, PINs, and messages you type." Do you want that shared with advertisers? With your health care provider? The article isn't about the technology, it is about sharing the data.
    - dagmx 2y ago
      How are they getting the data you claim is shared with them?
    - dialup_sounds 2y ago
      Who are you saying shared what data with whom?