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How does letting a person stay in their home in the face of wild market fluctuations work to the detriment of everyone else, exactly? Wealthier people have to

How does letting a person stay in their home in the face of wild market fluctuations work to the detriment of everyone else, exactly? Wealthier people have to pay more for non rent-controlled apartments or commute a bit further - this hardly seems like a great cost to bear to avoid uprooting the families and communities that made these locations desirable in the first place.

dk 18y ago
Based on your other comments, I don't think wild market fluctuations are really the issue here, are they? If they somehow disappeared, would you yield rent control to accommodate broad market trends?
- calambrac 18y ago
  Rent control only exists in places where wild market fluctuations were displacing people.
  - dk 18y ago
    Is that a "yes"?
    - calambrac 18y ago
      Why would I yield something that doesn't exist? But, sure, okay, yes, I would be willing to yield rent control in the situation where it wasn't necessary to prevent displacement. I guess I miss your point?
      - dk 18y ago
        I asked if you would yield price controls, which certainly do exist, and I was curious whether wild market fluctuations were pivotal to your position. I'm assuming this is why you haven't addressed the essence of my point.
        calambrac 18y ago
        I haven't addressed the essence of your point because I don't know what it is. Rent control only really exists in large cities that have experienced wild market fluctuations (in the form of surging rent prices) that displaced renters. If there weren't surging rents displacing people, why would there be rent control? In that case, I would yield them... but in that case, they wouldn't have existed in the first place. So I still miss your point.
        dk 18y ago
        Wild fluctuations != rising prices.
        calambrac 18y ago
        Rising prices are a subset of wild fluctuations. The other part is falling prices. Rent control isn't really necessary for the latter, is it now?
        dk 18y ago
        No, wild fluctuations are wild -- your adjective -- continual change up and down. May I suggest a dictionary? fluc⋅tu⋅a⋅tion [fluhk-choo-ey-shuhn] Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. continual change from one point or condition to another. 2. wavelike motion; undulation. This does not subsume longer-term trends. EDIT: I want to know if your issue is simply with rising prices. If it is -- and it seems pretty clear that it is -- don't use misleading/distracting/inaccurate verbiage like "wild fluctuations".
        calambrac 18y ago
        Dude, come on. Your contribution to this conversation is really going to be latching onto my use of 'wild fluctuations' instead of 'large price increases' as somehow disingenuous?
        DabAsteroid 18y ago
dk 18y ago
[undent] By my count you've used the term "wild fluctuations" or "wild market fluctuations" in four assertions / reassertions, and this started with my question to you based specifically on your use of this term. Its actual meaning and your intended meaning are certainly relevant to the conversation.
- calambrac 18y ago
  I didn't realize it was such a loaded technical term. I thought it was glaringly obvious from my explicitly expressed concern about whether or not people were being displaced that I was referring to price increases. My bad. You win the argument over the semantics of two words... congratulations?
  - dk 18y ago
    It's not a technical term to my knowledge and if it's a loaded term, I believe that would be by your choice ("wild"). This is not about the semantics of two words but about the proper approach to conversation about serious matters. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Be precise. Avoid exaggeration and equivocation. This matters far more than any particular subject under discussion.
    - calambrac 18y ago
      So... the proper approach to conversation about serious matters is to harp on someone for using terminology you don't like even though its blatantly obvious from context what they mean? And honestly, I only ceded the point about the terminology because I thought it would prompt you to finally make your on-topic point. "Fluctuation" can certainly mean "movement from low to high" without being in error - read your own definition. I guess you really don't have anything to contribute, though.

dk 18y ago

Based on your other comments, I don't think wild market fluctuations are really the issue here, are they? If they somehow disappeared, would you yield rent control to accommodate broad market trends?

calambrac 18y ago
Rent control only exists in places where wild market fluctuations were displacing people.
- dk 18y ago
  Is that a "yes"?
  - calambrac 18y ago
    Why would I yield something that doesn't exist? But, sure, okay, yes, I would be willing to yield rent control in the situation where it wasn't necessary to prevent displacement. I guess I miss your point?
    - dk 18y ago
      I asked if you would yield price controls, which certainly do exist, and I was curious whether wild market fluctuations were pivotal to your position. I'm assuming this is why you haven't addressed the essence of my point.
      - calambrac 18y ago
        I haven't addressed the essence of your point because I don't know what it is. Rent control only really exists in large cities that have experienced wild market fluctuations (in the form of surging rent prices) that displaced renters. If there weren't surging rents displacing people, why would there be rent control? In that case, I would yield them... but in that case, they wouldn't have existed in the first place. So I still miss your point.
        dk 18y ago
        Wild fluctuations != rising prices.
        calambrac 18y ago
        Rising prices are a subset of wild fluctuations. The other part is falling prices. Rent control isn't really necessary for the latter, is it now?
        dk 18y ago
        No, wild fluctuations are wild -- your adjective -- continual change up and down. May I suggest a dictionary? fluc⋅tu⋅a⋅tion [fluhk-choo-ey-shuhn] Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. continual change from one point or condition to another. 2. wavelike motion; undulation. This does not subsume longer-term trends. EDIT: I want to know if your issue is simply with rising prices. If it is -- and it seems pretty clear that it is -- don't use misleading/distracting/inaccurate verbiage like "wild fluctuations".
        calambrac 18y ago
        Dude, come on. Your contribution to this conversation is really going to be latching onto my use of 'wild fluctuations' instead of 'large price increases' as somehow disingenuous?
        DabAsteroid 18y ago

dk 18y ago

[undent] By my count you've used the term "wild fluctuations" or "wild market fluctuations" in four assertions / reassertions, and this started with my question to you based specifically on your use of this term. Its actual meaning and your intended meaning are certainly relevant to the conversation.

calambrac 18y ago
I didn't realize it was such a loaded technical term. I thought it was glaringly obvious from my explicitly expressed concern about whether or not people were being displaced that I was referring to price increases. My bad. You win the argument over the semantics of two words... congratulations?
- dk 18y ago
  It's not a technical term to my knowledge and if it's a loaded term, I believe that would be by your choice ("wild"). This is not about the semantics of two words but about the proper approach to conversation about serious matters. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Be precise. Avoid exaggeration and equivocation. This matters far more than any particular subject under discussion.
  - calambrac 18y ago
    So... the proper approach to conversation about serious matters is to harp on someone for using terminology you don't like even though its blatantly obvious from context what they mean? And honestly, I only ceded the point about the terminology because I thought it would prompt you to finally make your on-topic point. "Fluctuation" can certainly mean "movement from low to high" without being in error - read your own definition. I guess you really don't have anything to contribute, though.