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I think it’s about hate speech but the OP doesn’t know that UK!= EU. For example in the UK you may get jail time if you say a transgender girl is actually boy

I think it’s about hate speech but the OP doesn’t know that UK!= EU. For example in the UK you may get jail time if you say a transgender girl is actually boy or whatever. See here one famous case: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna146065 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna146065 That being said free speech is being eroded in the EU as well but the UK is “leading” that. For example the EU tries for some time to mandate backdoors into encrypted chat applications.

zimpenfish 2y ago
> you may get jail time if you say a transgender girl is actually boy or whatever. See here one famous case "J.K. Rowling will not be arrested for comments about transgender women" That's a famous (non-)case which completely disproves your assertion though.
- tim333 2y ago
  Indeed the "locking up indigenous people for years for saying mean facts on the internet" in the UK seems basically fictional. Have there been real any cases of that? Whenever you read Americans say the awful brits locked someone up for saying nasty things you find it's actually something like saying things plus assaulting a police officer or similar.
  - zimpenfish 2y ago
    > Have there been real any cases of that? I don't think there has. There's definitely been people locked up for tweeting[1] but that was less "mean" and more "overt racism". (Before the Public Order Act 1986[2], Section 5 was amended in 2013, people were able to be charged for "insults" which was clearly ludicrous.) [1] https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/mar/27/student-jailed-fabrice-muamba-tweets https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/mar/27/student-jailed-fa... [2] Yet another thing to thank Thatcher for. Who, ironically, is probably a hero of the kind of people who go around saying things like "the left will lock you up for saying mean things."
  - thefounder 2y ago
    What about this one? https://www.northants.police.uk/news/northants/news/in-court/2024/august/man-26-sentenced-for-stirring-up-racial-hatred/ https://www.northants.police.uk/news/northants/news/in-court...
  - thefounder 2y ago
    After stating that she was “completely sure that he knew racial hatred would be stirred up” as a result of his “utterly repulsive, racist and shocking posts that have no place in civilised society, including on social media”, HH Judge Lucking sentenced Kay to three years and two months in prison. Detective Chief Superintendent Rich Tompkins said: “I hope this case sends a very clear message to people who think they can hide behind a screen and publish hateful, racially prejudiced posts without consequence.
- thefounder 2y ago
  Well, the law is there. How it applies it’s a different thing. Here is one fresh that actually got jail time for posting mean stuff https://www.northants.police.uk/news/northants/news/in-court/2024/august/man-26-sentenced-for-stirring-up-racial-hatred/ https://www.northants.police.uk/news/northants/news/in-court...
  - zimpenfish 2y ago
    > posting mean stuff "inflammatory posts on social media calling for hotels housing asylum seekers to be set alight" I dunno, I think there's a bit of a gap between "mean stuff" and "racial hatred with an incitement to murder".
    - thefounder 2y ago
      Right…and 3 years prison for that. The gap got pretty narrower. I think half of the gaming communities should be put in jail under this law. Saying a trans women is a boy is also gender hatred with possible catastrophic harm (as we know the suicide rate is pretty high on trans people). To be honest I would not be surprised at all to see people in jail for what JK Rowling said.
      - zimpenfish 2y ago
        > To be honest I would not be surprised at all to see people in jail for what JK Rowling said. Ok but she wasn't even charged which suggests that people aren't going to be going to jail for saying what she said. I don't get how you take "she said some horrible stuff and wasn't charged" to "people will go to jail for saying the same thing" because there's no evidence or logical connection between the two stances.

zimpenfish 2y ago

> you may get jail time if you say a transgender girl is actually boy or whatever. See here one famous case "J.K. Rowling will not be arrested for comments about transgender women" That's a famous (non-)case which completely disproves your assertion though.

tim333 2y ago
Indeed the "locking up indigenous people for years for saying mean facts on the internet" in the UK seems basically fictional. Have there been real any cases of that? Whenever you read Americans say the awful brits locked someone up for saying nasty things you find it's actually something like saying things plus assaulting a police officer or similar.
- zimpenfish 2y ago
  > Have there been real any cases of that? I don't think there has. There's definitely been people locked up for tweeting[1] but that was less "mean" and more "overt racism". (Before the Public Order Act 1986[2], Section 5 was amended in 2013, people were able to be charged for "insults" which was clearly ludicrous.) [1] https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/mar/27/student-jailed-fabrice-muamba-tweets https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/mar/27/student-jailed-fa... [2] Yet another thing to thank Thatcher for. Who, ironically, is probably a hero of the kind of people who go around saying things like "the left will lock you up for saying mean things."
- thefounder 2y ago
  What about this one? https://www.northants.police.uk/news/northants/news/in-court/2024/august/man-26-sentenced-for-stirring-up-racial-hatred/ https://www.northants.police.uk/news/northants/news/in-court...
- thefounder 2y ago
  After stating that she was “completely sure that he knew racial hatred would be stirred up” as a result of his “utterly repulsive, racist and shocking posts that have no place in civilised society, including on social media”, HH Judge Lucking sentenced Kay to three years and two months in prison. Detective Chief Superintendent Rich Tompkins said: “I hope this case sends a very clear message to people who think they can hide behind a screen and publish hateful, racially prejudiced posts without consequence.
thefounder 2y ago
Well, the law is there. How it applies it’s a different thing. Here is one fresh that actually got jail time for posting mean stuff https://www.northants.police.uk/news/northants/news/in-court/2024/august/man-26-sentenced-for-stirring-up-racial-hatred/ https://www.northants.police.uk/news/northants/news/in-court...
- zimpenfish 2y ago
  > posting mean stuff "inflammatory posts on social media calling for hotels housing asylum seekers to be set alight" I dunno, I think there's a bit of a gap between "mean stuff" and "racial hatred with an incitement to murder".
  - thefounder 2y ago
    Right…and 3 years prison for that. The gap got pretty narrower. I think half of the gaming communities should be put in jail under this law. Saying a trans women is a boy is also gender hatred with possible catastrophic harm (as we know the suicide rate is pretty high on trans people). To be honest I would not be surprised at all to see people in jail for what JK Rowling said.
    - zimpenfish 2y ago
      > To be honest I would not be surprised at all to see people in jail for what JK Rowling said. Ok but she wasn't even charged which suggests that people aren't going to be going to jail for saying what she said. I don't get how you take "she said some horrible stuff and wasn't charged" to "people will go to jail for saying the same thing" because there's no evidence or logical connection between the two stances.