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This is flagrant with the EU raising import tariffs on Chinese EV. There is a lot of communication about the climate transition and how electric stuff is neede

by gwervc 2y ago

This is flagrant with the EU raising import tariffs on Chinese EV. There is a lot of communication about the climate transition and how electric stuff is needed to save the world, but when cheap options are available from China it's a big no no because it goes against European manufacturers interests.

jq-r 2y ago
Exactly. This whole scheme won't work in EU because it's against car manufacturer's interest. The whole of eastern Europe is flooded by second hand German cars and the reason is twofold. First, the western Europe still can afford to change cars every few years, and secondly, the purchase power IMO of the eastern Europe is falling behind so second hand cars look more affordable then buying a new one. If I were to install an electric motor in my car there is no chance I'm hell that I would be able to make it road legal. Last year I bought homologated Philips LED bulbs for my car to replace crappy incandescent bulbs and the car failed the inspection. "You can't have LED bulbs on a car manufactured with incandescents". Doesn't matter that the beam is completely correct and doesn't blind other drivers, and they have instruments to check it. "It the law, go away".
- anticensor 2y ago
  Have you considered taking the whole vehicle out-of-type and getting all existing parts approved under IVA before giving up?
ToucanLoucan 2y ago
To be clear, it's both the manufacturer's interests and the interests of European workers. As long as we demand from every person that they earn a living, them using their political power to protect their national industry should be expected. Yes, cheap Chinese EV's are better for the environment, but that's small comfort to all the people employed by European car companies that are getting out-competed who hit the streets as a result. If we want to start actually tackling climate change we need to unwind this notion that everyone must earn a living because there are simply vast swathes of the economy that are just redundant and do not need to exist.
- lukan 2y ago
  "If we want to start actually tackling climate change we need to unwind this notion that everyone must earn a living because there are simply vast swathes of the economy that are just redundant and do not need to exist" Or we start tackling some inbalancies. Why is it so much cheaper to build in china? (Mainly less regulations and cheaper labour I think) But if we would be serious about climate change, we would need Chinas and Europes productive capabilities.
  - kalupa 2y ago
    subsidies
  - belorn 2y ago
    The given reason that the EU officials provided when they created the tariffs are major subsidizes from the Chinese government. Of course, I have yet to see a nation with car manufacturing that do not subsidize that industry. Tax breaks, zero interest loans, help with construction/land, and so on. It also suspected/confirmed? that intelligence agencies also helps by providing industry espionage. With them being that involved it seems that tariffs are less about market forces and more about pure politics.

by gwervc 2y ago

jq-r 2y ago

Exactly. This whole scheme won't work in EU because it's against car manufacturer's interest. The whole of eastern Europe is flooded by second hand German cars and the reason is twofold. First, the western Europe still can afford to change cars every few years, and secondly, the purchase power IMO of the eastern Europe is falling behind so second hand cars look more affordable then buying a new one. If I were to install an electric motor in my car there is no chance I'm hell that I would be able to make it road legal. Last year I bought homologated Philips LED bulbs for my car to replace crappy incandescent bulbs and the car failed the inspection. "You can't have LED bulbs on a car manufactured with incandescents". Doesn't matter that the beam is completely correct and doesn't blind other drivers, and they have instruments to check it. "It the law, go away".

anticensor 2y ago
Have you considered taking the whole vehicle out-of-type and getting all existing parts approved under IVA before giving up?

ToucanLoucan 2y ago

To be clear, it's both the manufacturer's interests and the interests of European workers. As long as we demand from every person that they earn a living, them using their political power to protect their national industry should be expected. Yes, cheap Chinese EV's are better for the environment, but that's small comfort to all the people employed by European car companies that are getting out-competed who hit the streets as a result. If we want to start actually tackling climate change we need to unwind this notion that everyone must earn a living because there are simply vast swathes of the economy that are just redundant and do not need to exist.

lukan 2y ago
"If we want to start actually tackling climate change we need to unwind this notion that everyone must earn a living because there are simply vast swathes of the economy that are just redundant and do not need to exist" Or we start tackling some inbalancies. Why is it so much cheaper to build in china? (Mainly less regulations and cheaper labour I think) But if we would be serious about climate change, we would need Chinas and Europes productive capabilities.
- kalupa 2y ago
  subsidies
- belorn 2y ago
  The given reason that the EU officials provided when they created the tariffs are major subsidizes from the Chinese government. Of course, I have yet to see a nation with car manufacturing that do not subsidize that industry. Tax breaks, zero interest loans, help with construction/land, and so on. It also suspected/confirmed? that intelligence agencies also helps by providing industry espionage. With them being that involved it seems that tariffs are less about market forces and more about pure politics.