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That's not the same kind of problem. Photo ID requirements restrict voting access, voting holiday expands it.

rdtsc 2y ago
I think they are in the general category of issues we as a country like to argue and bicker about before and after elections. The rest of the world is laughing at us basically not knowing how to tie our shoes. We definitely have enough resources to give everyone free IDs and record if they voted. We can even afford free public transportation for that day. We can afford not working one extra day a year.
- TaylorAlexander 2y ago
  The discussion around voter ID laws never actually revolves around expanding access to ID cards. Instead it is about restricting access to legal voters who don’t have ID, under the guise of avoiding voter fraud, a thing that is so rare as to be generally insignificant. https://gspp.berkeley.edu/research-and-impact/policy-initiatives/democracy-policy-initiative/policy-briefs/voter-id-laws-what-do-we-know-so-far https://gspp.berkeley.edu/research-and-impact/policy-initiat...
  - rdtsc 2y ago
    > The discussion around voter ID laws never actually revolves around expanding access to ID cards. That’s what the studies linked seem to focus on? About half of them are inconclusive. The first one had data errors. That’s why issuing free cards should solve the problem. India with a much larger population with more disadvantaged people solved it but here we are still arguing about it.
    - carlmr 2y ago
      I agree, it's cheap and easy enough to solve the issue, and if the Republican talking point bothers you so much, it shouldn't be too hard to prove it's not a problem by introducing mandatory free ID for all.
      - iwontberude 2y ago
        Everytime I go vote, they take my ID and give me a ballot. Pretty sure voting identification is already working. This is a fake issue.
        sgerenser 2y ago
        It depends on the state. Here in NC ID is not required to vote, and when they tried to pass a law requiring it, there was a huge backlash.
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        iwontberude 2y ago
        Sounds like it’s too unpopular for national let alone state policy.
        sgerenser 2y ago
        So which is it, a fake issue (ID already required to vote), or ID isn’t actually required, but requiring ID is too unpopular so it shouldn’t be done?
        iwontberude 2y ago
        Not sure how you think they are mutually exclusive in any way. It's all three: A) a fake issue that our current ID is not sufficient, because B) a new source of ID isn't actually required as studies show, and C) requiring a new source of ID is too unpopular.
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    - jkestner 2y ago
      What problem? Not fraud, if there's no statistically significant amount of fraud happening. [1] The only people who want to argue about it are doing it to sow doubt in a remarkably robust system. The problem they're trying to solve is ballot access by people who won't vote with them. Here in Texas, the AG is suing any organization who's trying to register voters in liberal areas. [2] [1] https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/ https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/ with context by https://www.brookings.edu/articles/widespread-election-fraud-claims-by-republicans-dont-match-the-evidence/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/widespread-election-fraud... [2] https://www.texastribune.org/2024/09/06/texas-ken-paxton-travis-county-voter-registration/ https://www.texastribune.org/2024/09/06/texas-ken-paxton-tra...

I think they are in the general category of issues we as a country like to argue and bicker about before and after elections. The rest of the world is laughing at us basically not knowing how to tie our shoes. We definitely have enough resources to give everyone free IDs and record if they voted. We can even afford free public transportation for that day. We can afford not working one extra day a year.

TaylorAlexander 2y ago
The discussion around voter ID laws never actually revolves around expanding access to ID cards. Instead it is about restricting access to legal voters who don’t have ID, under the guise of avoiding voter fraud, a thing that is so rare as to be generally insignificant. https://gspp.berkeley.edu/research-and-impact/policy-initiatives/democracy-policy-initiative/policy-briefs/voter-id-laws-what-do-we-know-so-far https://gspp.berkeley.edu/research-and-impact/policy-initiat...
- rdtsc 2y ago
  > The discussion around voter ID laws never actually revolves around expanding access to ID cards. That’s what the studies linked seem to focus on? About half of them are inconclusive. The first one had data errors. That’s why issuing free cards should solve the problem. India with a much larger population with more disadvantaged people solved it but here we are still arguing about it.
  - carlmr 2y ago
    I agree, it's cheap and easy enough to solve the issue, and if the Republican talking point bothers you so much, it shouldn't be too hard to prove it's not a problem by introducing mandatory free ID for all.
    - iwontberude 2y ago
      Everytime I go vote, they take my ID and give me a ballot. Pretty sure voting identification is already working. This is a fake issue.
      - sgerenser 2y ago
        It depends on the state. Here in NC ID is not required to vote, and when they tried to pass a law requiring it, there was a huge backlash.
        deleted 2y ago
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        iwontberude 2y ago
        Sounds like it’s too unpopular for national let alone state policy.
        sgerenser 2y ago
        So which is it, a fake issue (ID already required to vote), or ID isn’t actually required, but requiring ID is too unpopular so it shouldn’t be done?
        iwontberude 2y ago
        Not sure how you think they are mutually exclusive in any way. It's all three: A) a fake issue that our current ID is not sufficient, because B) a new source of ID isn't actually required as studies show, and C) requiring a new source of ID is too unpopular.
        deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
  - jkestner 2y ago
    What problem? Not fraud, if there's no statistically significant amount of fraud happening. [1] The only people who want to argue about it are doing it to sow doubt in a remarkably robust system. The problem they're trying to solve is ballot access by people who won't vote with them. Here in Texas, the AG is suing any organization who's trying to register voters in liberal areas. [2] [1] https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/ https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/ with context by https://www.brookings.edu/articles/widespread-election-fraud-claims-by-republicans-dont-match-the-evidence/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/widespread-election-fraud... [2] https://www.texastribune.org/2024/09/06/texas-ken-paxton-travis-county-voter-registration/ https://www.texastribune.org/2024/09/06/texas-ken-paxton-tra...