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We can't even get photo ID required to vote for federal office, despite the law requiring it for other stuff that is a right ascribed merely to people ( guns )

We can't even get photo ID required to vote for federal office, despite the law requiring it for other stuff that is a right ascribed merely to people ( guns ) unlike voting which is expressly protected for citizens ( although non-citizens could vote for local office if law allows it like in American samoa.)

rdtsc 2y ago
Exactly. This should be basic stuff. After landing on the moon we shouldn’t be bickering and arguing who voted and who didn’t, and if there was fraud or not. IDs should be free and available to every voter. There should be a federal voting holiday, because it’s an important event.
- ein0p 2y ago
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- iwontberude 2y ago
  If you had voted before you would already know they ask for your ID at the polls already. There is no problem identifying voters. It’s some made up shit by Republicans so they can come up with yet another form of ID to disqualify people arbitrarily. I don’t want to have to carry even more forms of ID to satisfy some bureaucrat.
  - ImJamal 2y ago
    Even if they ask for ID at the polls (they don't where I live), you could vote by mail without ID.
jkestner 2y ago
That's not the same kind of problem. Photo ID requirements restrict voting access, voting holiday expands it.
- rdtsc 2y ago
  I think they are in the general category of issues we as a country like to argue and bicker about before and after elections. The rest of the world is laughing at us basically not knowing how to tie our shoes. We definitely have enough resources to give everyone free IDs and record if they voted. We can even afford free public transportation for that day. We can afford not working one extra day a year.
  - TaylorAlexander 2y ago
    The discussion around voter ID laws never actually revolves around expanding access to ID cards. Instead it is about restricting access to legal voters who don’t have ID, under the guise of avoiding voter fraud, a thing that is so rare as to be generally insignificant. https://gspp.berkeley.edu/research-and-impact/policy-initiatives/democracy-policy-initiative/policy-briefs/voter-id-laws-what-do-we-know-so-far https://gspp.berkeley.edu/research-and-impact/policy-initiat...
    - rdtsc 2y ago
      > The discussion around voter ID laws never actually revolves around expanding access to ID cards. That’s what the studies linked seem to focus on? About half of them are inconclusive. The first one had data errors. That’s why issuing free cards should solve the problem. India with a much larger population with more disadvantaged people solved it but here we are still arguing about it.
      - carlmr 2y ago
        I agree, it's cheap and easy enough to solve the issue, and if the Republican talking point bothers you so much, it shouldn't be too hard to prove it's not a problem by introducing mandatory free ID for all.
        iwontberude 2y ago
        Everytime I go vote, they take my ID and give me a ballot. Pretty sure voting identification is already working. This is a fake issue.

rdtsc 2y ago

Exactly. This should be basic stuff. After landing on the moon we shouldn’t be bickering and arguing who voted and who didn’t, and if there was fraud or not. IDs should be free and available to every voter. There should be a federal voting holiday, because it’s an important event.

ein0p 2y ago
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iwontberude 2y ago
If you had voted before you would already know they ask for your ID at the polls already. There is no problem identifying voters. It’s some made up shit by Republicans so they can come up with yet another form of ID to disqualify people arbitrarily. I don’t want to have to carry even more forms of ID to satisfy some bureaucrat.
- ImJamal 2y ago
  Even if they ask for ID at the polls (they don't where I live), you could vote by mail without ID.

jkestner 2y ago

That's not the same kind of problem. Photo ID requirements restrict voting access, voting holiday expands it.

rdtsc 2y ago
I think they are in the general category of issues we as a country like to argue and bicker about before and after elections. The rest of the world is laughing at us basically not knowing how to tie our shoes. We definitely have enough resources to give everyone free IDs and record if they voted. We can even afford free public transportation for that day. We can afford not working one extra day a year.
- TaylorAlexander 2y ago
  The discussion around voter ID laws never actually revolves around expanding access to ID cards. Instead it is about restricting access to legal voters who don’t have ID, under the guise of avoiding voter fraud, a thing that is so rare as to be generally insignificant. https://gspp.berkeley.edu/research-and-impact/policy-initiatives/democracy-policy-initiative/policy-briefs/voter-id-laws-what-do-we-know-so-far https://gspp.berkeley.edu/research-and-impact/policy-initiat...
  - rdtsc 2y ago
    > The discussion around voter ID laws never actually revolves around expanding access to ID cards. That’s what the studies linked seem to focus on? About half of them are inconclusive. The first one had data errors. That’s why issuing free cards should solve the problem. India with a much larger population with more disadvantaged people solved it but here we are still arguing about it.
    - carlmr 2y ago
      I agree, it's cheap and easy enough to solve the issue, and if the Republican talking point bothers you so much, it shouldn't be too hard to prove it's not a problem by introducing mandatory free ID for all.
      - iwontberude 2y ago
        Everytime I go vote, they take my ID and give me a ballot. Pretty sure voting identification is already working. This is a fake issue.