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The US national median salary is $59,384 per year as of Q4 2023. https://www.sofi.com/learn/content/average-salary-in-us/ https://www.sofi.com/learn/content/av

by rendx 2y ago

The US national median salary is $59,384 per year as of Q4 2023. https://www.sofi.com/learn/content/average-salary-in-us/ https://www.sofi.com/learn/content/average-salary-in-us/

santoshalper 2y ago
Yeah, but probably not for someone who needs Solidworks for their job.
maxerickson 2y ago
Right. How much would you pay for software that saved your $60,000 designer weeks per year?
- inferiorhuman 2y ago
  And how many of those saved weeks are being spent fighting draconian licensing software? In a past life I had a few architectural firms as clients and actually getting AutoCAD licensing shit to work was a huge pain point.
  - tverbeure 2y ago
    You need to balance those weeks spent fighting licensing issue (seriously?) against the time that's lost by using a piece of software that is a nightmare to use... if it doesn't crash. Which it does all the time. Admittedly, it's been 2 years since I last used FreeCAD, but I've spent literally more than a hundred of hours with it trying to make it do what I wanted it to do only to come to the conclusion that mechanical CAD probably just wasn't for me. And then I tried Onshape and, surprise, it wasn't me after all.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  Irrelevant; such a license would be purchased by the business and wrote off as a loss on the income/loss sheet. Needless to say, for a business a few or even several thousand dollars a year is practically nothing if it's critical to business operations and ensuring productivity. If you're buying this for your own personal use? Yeah, you're gonna need a lot of disposable income or some really good justification. For your own small business use? Yeah, you're gonna need to justify that cost against your estimated annual income and other losses.
  - maxerickson 2y ago
    What's irrelevant to what? The actual market for CAD software is well funded businesses that are buying it as a productivity tool, so of course their approach to the cost is very relevant when trying to understand the pricing.
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      The context was the cost of a Solidworks license within the purchasing power of an average salary. Meaning the question posed was whether an employee could buy a Solidworks license. To that, I say that is irrelevant because just like you said: It's the company that buys and pays for the license, not a singular employee on a salary.
      - maxerickson 2y ago
        You realize you are telling me what I meant? The salary of the employee provides the basis of their cost to the company, so any tool that increases their productivity for a small portion of that cost is something they are going to consider. I wasn't imagining that the typical person making $60k year would enjoy blowing thousands of dollars on a CAD package. This is why they aren't cheap though, because typical people don't buy CAD packages, companies do.

by rendx 2y ago

The US national median salary is $59,384 per year as of Q4 2023. https://www.sofi.com/learn/content/average-salary-in-us/ https://www.sofi.com/learn/content/average-salary-in-us/

santoshalper 2y ago

Yeah, but probably not for someone who needs Solidworks for their job.

maxerickson 2y ago

Right. How much would you pay for software that saved your $60,000 designer weeks per year?

inferiorhuman 2y ago
And how many of those saved weeks are being spent fighting draconian licensing software? In a past life I had a few architectural firms as clients and actually getting AutoCAD licensing shit to work was a huge pain point.
- tverbeure 2y ago
  You need to balance those weeks spent fighting licensing issue (seriously?) against the time that's lost by using a piece of software that is a nightmare to use... if it doesn't crash. Which it does all the time. Admittedly, it's been 2 years since I last used FreeCAD, but I've spent literally more than a hundred of hours with it trying to make it do what I wanted it to do only to come to the conclusion that mechanical CAD probably just wasn't for me. And then I tried Onshape and, surprise, it wasn't me after all.
Dalewyn 2y ago
Irrelevant; such a license would be purchased by the business and wrote off as a loss on the income/loss sheet. Needless to say, for a business a few or even several thousand dollars a year is practically nothing if it's critical to business operations and ensuring productivity. If you're buying this for your own personal use? Yeah, you're gonna need a lot of disposable income or some really good justification. For your own small business use? Yeah, you're gonna need to justify that cost against your estimated annual income and other losses.
- maxerickson 2y ago
  What's irrelevant to what? The actual market for CAD software is well funded businesses that are buying it as a productivity tool, so of course their approach to the cost is very relevant when trying to understand the pricing.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    The context was the cost of a Solidworks license within the purchasing power of an average salary. Meaning the question posed was whether an employee could buy a Solidworks license. To that, I say that is irrelevant because just like you said: It's the company that buys and pays for the license, not a singular employee on a salary.
    - maxerickson 2y ago
      You realize you are telling me what I meant? The salary of the employee provides the basis of their cost to the company, so any tool that increases their productivity for a small portion of that cost is something they are going to consider. I wasn't imagining that the typical person making $60k year would enjoy blowing thousands of dollars on a CAD package. This is why they aren't cheap though, because typical people don't buy CAD packages, companies do.