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> you can start holding congressional hearings until you find nine or more people that you can execute. I like it when people just out themselves as extremists

> you can start holding congressional hearings until you find nine or more people that you can execute. I like it when people just out themselves as extremists.

vkou 2y ago
These deaths weren't caused by an oopsie daisies accident, this was a clear, blatant prioritisation of personal profit over human lives, with numerous warnings and opportunities to pull back. The plant's been operating despite years of failing inspections, and anyone in the industry knows that it shouldn't have. Evil is the pursuit of personal gain at the direct expense of the welfare of others. This is the poster child for it. It's not an indirect consequence, it's not a 'we tried and there was still a bad outcome', it's not a 'this stuff is hard and we got unlucky', it's not a 'there are inherent risks to this activity that can't be well mitigated', it's not a 'we didn't know this was dangerous', it's not a 'all the alternatives looked bad'. It's actively and playing Russian Roulette with the lives of your customers, and it killed people. There's nothing extreme about wanting justice for such blatant disregard for human life.
- parineum 2y ago
  And justice is finding 9 or more people and executing them? It's clear you don't care about justice or you'd be looking for the people responsible and punishing them based on how much culpability they have, personally. What you're describing is eye-for-an-eye vengeance.
  - vkou 2y ago
    The harm was much greater than nine deaths, many other people were poisoned. Someone is responsible. They won't be held responsible under our current regulatory and liability framework. If you want this kind of malfeasance to stop, that framework needs to be changed. There's a fundamental disconnect between decision-makers and beneficiaries of this harm, and the responsibility that they get to shirk. Consider that tampering with food (for no personal gain) that doesn't seriously harm anyone carries sentences of multiple years. Scale this proportionately.
    - parineum 2y ago
      And why 9 or more? What if there are only 8 that can be found responsible?

> you can start holding congressional hearings until you find nine or more people that you can execute. I like it when people just out themselves as extremists.

vkou 2y ago

These deaths weren't caused by an oopsie daisies accident, this was a clear, blatant prioritisation of personal profit over human lives, with numerous warnings and opportunities to pull back. The plant's been operating despite years of failing inspections, and anyone in the industry knows that it shouldn't have. Evil is the pursuit of personal gain at the direct expense of the welfare of others. This is the poster child for it. It's not an indirect consequence, it's not a 'we tried and there was still a bad outcome', it's not a 'this stuff is hard and we got unlucky', it's not a 'there are inherent risks to this activity that can't be well mitigated', it's not a 'we didn't know this was dangerous', it's not a 'all the alternatives looked bad'. It's actively and playing Russian Roulette with the lives of your customers, and it killed people. There's nothing extreme about wanting justice for such blatant disregard for human life.

parineum 2y ago
And justice is finding 9 or more people and executing them? It's clear you don't care about justice or you'd be looking for the people responsible and punishing them based on how much culpability they have, personally. What you're describing is eye-for-an-eye vengeance.
- vkou 2y ago
  The harm was much greater than nine deaths, many other people were poisoned. Someone is responsible. They won't be held responsible under our current regulatory and liability framework. If you want this kind of malfeasance to stop, that framework needs to be changed. There's a fundamental disconnect between decision-makers and beneficiaries of this harm, and the responsibility that they get to shirk. Consider that tampering with food (for no personal gain) that doesn't seriously harm anyone carries sentences of multiple years. Scale this proportionately.
  - parineum 2y ago
    And why 9 or more? What if there are only 8 that can be found responsible?