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I don't understand the purpose of the hyperbole (that I'm asumming it is). Is it simply that 'news' writers can't turn that off anymore or is there a point? I

I don't understand the purpose of the hyperbole (that I'm asumming it is). Is it simply that 'news' writers can't turn that off anymore or is there a point? I certainly don't think this has much impact on anything. The best way to reduce piracy is to reduce the friction of watching what we want without all the multiplicity of exclusivity and bundled services.

defrost 2y ago
Read carefully and pay attention to attribution. Are the (your quotes) 'news' writers engaging in hyperbole themselves, or are they using flat language to report upon what the Motion Picture Association (MPA) claimed and asserted via a spokesperson? In: "The takedown of Fmovies is a stunning victory for casts, crews, writers, directors, studios, and the creative community across the globe," Motion Picture Association (MPA) CEO Charles Rivkin said today. The news writers wrote: "Motion Picture Association (MPA) CEO Charles Rivkin said today." This appears to be accurate and neutral reporting language. CEO Charles Rivkin said: "The takedown of Fmovies is a stunning victory ..." This is hyperbole.
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  > pay attention to attribution I am fond of the 1950s (even then, attribution was difficult!) "STASM" analytical framework given in: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/48612/48612-h/48612-h.htm#Page_116 https://www.gutenberg.org/files/48612/48612-h/48612-h.htm#Pa... > The formula works best in the treatment of monitored materials of which the source is known. First point to note is the character of the source. There are several choices on this: the true source (who really got it out?) and the ostensible source (whose name is signed to it?); also, the first-use source (who used it the first time?) and the second-use source (who claims merely to be using it as a quotation?). Take the statement: "Harry said to me, he said, 'I never told anybody that Al's wife was a retired strip-teaser.' Mind you, I don't pretend to believe Harry, but that's what he said, all right." What are the possible true sources for the statement of fact or libel concerning Al's unnamed wife? What are the alternatives on ostensible sources? First use? Second use? The common sense needed to analyze this statement is of the same order as the process involved in analyzing the statement: "Reliable sources in Paris state that the visit of the American labor delegation has produced sensational repercussions in Moscow, and that Moscow, upon the basis of the American attitude, is determined to press for unification of the entire German labor movement." Exercise: for the main claim in this HN comment, what are the sources? (true,ostensible,first-use,second-use)
  - defrost 2y ago
    > Exercise: for the main claim in this HN comment, ( https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=082349872349872 https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=082349872349872 ) The main claim would be the first hand account that the author ( aka stringo'digits ) is "fond" of what is asserted to be a 1950's analytical framework referenced via an URL to some bits in a file that may have been generated by an AI just moments ago. The claims of the prior comment ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41516175 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41516175 ) are third hand at best. The claim by "defrost" that > The news writers wrote: "Motion Picture Association (MPA) CEO Charles Rivkin said today." in reference to the Ars Technica article: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/movie-industry-touts-takedown-of-worlds-largest-pirate-streaming-ring/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/movie-industry-t... has a dubious provenance. While a photo is used to imply that Ars Technica writers attended a press conference and podium event where they personally witnessed a first hand verbal statement by Motion Picture Association CEO Charles Rivkin it is probable that they did no such thing. Sadly today the most common reporting activity is to cut and paste from industry created and delivered "Press Packets" which would include digital images and crafted text. eg: A richer version of the text only statement currently at https://www.alliance4creativity.com/news/vietnamese-authorities-with-support-from-ace-take-down-worlds-largest-piracy-ring/ https://www.alliance4creativity.com/news/vietnamese-authorit... While we can be reasonably confident that such a statement was issued by the MPA we are less certain that any actual press conference took place sans independant third party corroboration, it's possible the MPA statement contains fabrications. What can be stated for certain by this author at least (I pinky swear and hope to die) is that at no point have I ever told anybody that 082349872349874* once paid a midget to simulate a sexual act with a donkey. ( * AKA the neighbour of the beast )
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      I have a simple ethical guideline: don't do anything a Buller Boy wouldn't do. Arguing in the alternative, if the alleged donkey was, not merely pining for the fjords, but dead, the alleged act need not have been simulated: in November 2015, solicitor Myles Jackman said that performing a sexual act with a dead animal would not be illegal under the Sexual Offences Act 2003. He noted that possessing a photograph of such an act would be illegal under the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 if it was produced for pornographic purposes, but not if the purpose was "satire, political commentary or simple grossness".

defrost 2y ago

Read carefully and pay attention to attribution. Are the (your quotes) 'news' writers engaging in hyperbole themselves, or are they using flat language to report upon what the Motion Picture Association (MPA) claimed and asserted via a spokesperson? In: "The takedown of Fmovies is a stunning victory for casts, crews, writers, directors, studios, and the creative community across the globe," Motion Picture Association (MPA) CEO Charles Rivkin said today. The news writers wrote: "Motion Picture Association (MPA) CEO Charles Rivkin said today." This appears to be accurate and neutral reporting language. CEO Charles Rivkin said: "The takedown of Fmovies is a stunning victory ..." This is hyperbole.

082349872349872 2y ago
> pay attention to attribution I am fond of the 1950s (even then, attribution was difficult!) "STASM" analytical framework given in: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/48612/48612-h/48612-h.htm#Page_116 https://www.gutenberg.org/files/48612/48612-h/48612-h.htm#Pa... > The formula works best in the treatment of monitored materials of which the source is known. First point to note is the character of the source. There are several choices on this: the true source (who really got it out?) and the ostensible source (whose name is signed to it?); also, the first-use source (who used it the first time?) and the second-use source (who claims merely to be using it as a quotation?). Take the statement: "Harry said to me, he said, 'I never told anybody that Al's wife was a retired strip-teaser.' Mind you, I don't pretend to believe Harry, but that's what he said, all right." What are the possible true sources for the statement of fact or libel concerning Al's unnamed wife? What are the alternatives on ostensible sources? First use? Second use? The common sense needed to analyze this statement is of the same order as the process involved in analyzing the statement: "Reliable sources in Paris state that the visit of the American labor delegation has produced sensational repercussions in Moscow, and that Moscow, upon the basis of the American attitude, is determined to press for unification of the entire German labor movement." Exercise: for the main claim in this HN comment, what are the sources? (true,ostensible,first-use,second-use)
- defrost 2y ago
  > Exercise: for the main claim in this HN comment, ( https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=082349872349872 https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=082349872349872 ) The main claim would be the first hand account that the author ( aka stringo'digits ) is "fond" of what is asserted to be a 1950's analytical framework referenced via an URL to some bits in a file that may have been generated by an AI just moments ago. The claims of the prior comment ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41516175 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41516175 ) are third hand at best. The claim by "defrost" that > The news writers wrote: "Motion Picture Association (MPA) CEO Charles Rivkin said today." in reference to the Ars Technica article: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/movie-industry-touts-takedown-of-worlds-largest-pirate-streaming-ring/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/movie-industry-t... has a dubious provenance. While a photo is used to imply that Ars Technica writers attended a press conference and podium event where they personally witnessed a first hand verbal statement by Motion Picture Association CEO Charles Rivkin it is probable that they did no such thing. Sadly today the most common reporting activity is to cut and paste from industry created and delivered "Press Packets" which would include digital images and crafted text. eg: A richer version of the text only statement currently at https://www.alliance4creativity.com/news/vietnamese-authorities-with-support-from-ace-take-down-worlds-largest-piracy-ring/ https://www.alliance4creativity.com/news/vietnamese-authorit... While we can be reasonably confident that such a statement was issued by the MPA we are less certain that any actual press conference took place sans independant third party corroboration, it's possible the MPA statement contains fabrications. What can be stated for certain by this author at least (I pinky swear and hope to die) is that at no point have I ever told anybody that 082349872349874* once paid a midget to simulate a sexual act with a donkey. ( * AKA the neighbour of the beast )
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    I have a simple ethical guideline: don't do anything a Buller Boy wouldn't do. Arguing in the alternative, if the alleged donkey was, not merely pining for the fjords, but dead, the alleged act need not have been simulated: in November 2015, solicitor Myles Jackman said that performing a sexual act with a dead animal would not be illegal under the Sexual Offences Act 2003. He noted that possessing a photograph of such an act would be illegal under the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 if it was produced for pornographic purposes, but not if the purpose was "satire, political commentary or simple grossness".