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Buy your food from a local farmer. It is healthier and tastes better (and doesnt support big agra corps). For everyone that thought boars head was 'premium' you

by AyyEye 2y ago

Buy your food from a local farmer. It is healthier and tastes better (and doesnt support big agra corps). For everyone that thought boars head was 'premium' you'll be blown away. Even the lowest quality local farms are usually going to be better than the best industrial producers. You can often buy a whole (or half or 1/4) animal. They will have a butcher to process the animals for you. Search for "community supported agriculture" here is one directory[1] but there are others. There may be a co-op near you that goes farm to farm collecting food orders and delivers them to you or to a pickup spot close to you. [1] https://www.localharvest.org/csa/ https://www.localharvest.org/csa/

wannacboatmovie 2y ago
This discussion is about deli meat. Are you implying that Frank the Farmer down the road making baloney in a bathtub is "healthier and tastes better" than processed deli cuts made in a USDA inspected factory? Not excusing what happened here at all but this assertion and all "buy local" hysteria is simply subjective hippy nonsense. A few years back some "local" cheese makers got busted with plenty of food safety and quality issues and then you read they're wearing filthy shit-covered boots into the cheese making room. "Buy local" has zero relationship to food safety or quality.
- monkeyfun 2y ago
  Could you link to an article on those local (to where, btw?) cheesemakers?
  - wannacboatmovie 2y ago
    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/dirty-wash-company-blamed-cheese-recall-flna1C9468884 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/dirty-wash-compan...
    - monkeyfun 2y ago
      Thanks! That article's so beyond my expectations, haha.
- AyyEye 2y ago
  This discussion is about industrial food processors making food products at-scale in factories. > you implying that Frank the Farmer down the road making baloney in a bathtub The farmers almost never do the processing, Certainly none of the farms I have seen do. But that's a nice misdirection and mental picture you tried to paint there. Let me try doing the same thing: Do you think the Thiel and Vc funds slopping bulk meat paste around a factory with underpaid temp workers who don't even all know each other is more sanitary than a second generation butcher with only a single room and no large factory equipment to maintain? Do you think a bunch of animals fed bulk food waste of unknown origins while kept in sunlight free boxes and bred to grow so fast they have heart attacks are healthier than animals that can wonder around outside and eat what they like? > "Buy local" has zero relationship to food safety or quality. "Buy industrial" absolutely has a negative relationship to quality. Both the animals and the processing are done with as many corners cut as they can get away with because something thats simply not worth doing for a local farmer becomes extremely valuable when done at factory scale.
  - efrggdrgg 2y ago
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  - gamblor956 2y ago
    The farmers almost never do the processing, Certainly none of the farms I have seen do. Which defeats the point of buying the foods at issue from a farmer, unless you are suggesting that everyone buy the equipment they need to make deli meat at home from the quarter-cow they just purchased. Both the animals and the processing are done with as many corners cut as they can get away with because something thats simply not worth doing for a local farmer becomes extremely valuable when done at factory scale. This discussion is about processed meats, primarily deli meats. You are not buying deli meats from a local farmer, because as you have also stated, they don't do the processing. But if you meant to say, buy from a local butcher then yes, by all means do that because they will buy from the local farmer and process the meat for you.
    - AyyEye 2y ago
      > Which defeats the point of buying the foods at issue from a farmer, unless you are suggesting that everyone buy the equipment they need to make deli meat at home from the quarter-cow they just purchased. Most farmers have a butcher that they will bring the animal to so you don't need to handle it. I have never had to process any animals myself or even bring them to a butcher. Considering your whole post is based off that faulty assumption I'll end replying to you directly there. This was already mentioned in the first post. Why are these commenters building these straw men and seemingly being purposely obtuse? This whole comment chain is so weird and kind of surreal. People who have zero idea of what local agriculture actually looks like in practice have such strong opinions on it and are willing to talk so condescendingly to those of us that actually care about how food is made. One of the site rules is 'assume good faith' but we have one comment talking about bathtub bologna and another implying that anyone who buys meat outside of a grocery store needs to process the animal themselves. Despite the propaganda portraying local agriculture as some hick operation the reality is it's far safer and more modern than industrial ag. My local food co-op has a website with an order form that delivers fresh food (dairy, produce, and meat, including deli meat!) In an insulated refrigerated cooler to my door. And because apparently it needs repeating for some reason: no you don't need to process the animals yourself. Simply pick the meat you want, just like how you do it now.
Log_out_ 2y ago
eu sabotaged local butchers and hunters with strict requirements for dissasembly of animals
- AyyEye 2y ago
  Food regulations are often written with bulk producers in mind. When you have millions of pounds of meat from farms all over the country you are taunting disease. (Too many inputs to control. Farms all over the country, large facilities, long time between steps (harvest, processing, shipping, distribution, sale)). It's a miracle they are able to do this at all. Your typical family is able to be far less sterile than any factory and nobody gets sick largely because it's not done at-scale (more pathogens from more places) with long delays between steps to give the pathogens time to replicate. The un-sterilized corner of my kitchen floor isnt going to make it into my food but the machines covered in meat paste might end up getting a bit back into the vat.
skhunted 2y ago
There aren’t enough local farmers for all 350 million people in the U.S. for this to be practical advice. It is only practical for a fraction of the population.

by AyyEye 2y ago

wannacboatmovie 2y ago

This discussion is about deli meat. Are you implying that Frank the Farmer down the road making baloney in a bathtub is "healthier and tastes better" than processed deli cuts made in a USDA inspected factory? Not excusing what happened here at all but this assertion and all "buy local" hysteria is simply subjective hippy nonsense. A few years back some "local" cheese makers got busted with plenty of food safety and quality issues and then you read they're wearing filthy shit-covered boots into the cheese making room. "Buy local" has zero relationship to food safety or quality.

monkeyfun 2y ago
Could you link to an article on those local (to where, btw?) cheesemakers?
- wannacboatmovie 2y ago
  https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/dirty-wash-company-blamed-cheese-recall-flna1C9468884 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/dirty-wash-compan...
  - monkeyfun 2y ago
    Thanks! That article's so beyond my expectations, haha.
AyyEye 2y ago
This discussion is about industrial food processors making food products at-scale in factories. > you implying that Frank the Farmer down the road making baloney in a bathtub The farmers almost never do the processing, Certainly none of the farms I have seen do. But that's a nice misdirection and mental picture you tried to paint there. Let me try doing the same thing: Do you think the Thiel and Vc funds slopping bulk meat paste around a factory with underpaid temp workers who don't even all know each other is more sanitary than a second generation butcher with only a single room and no large factory equipment to maintain? Do you think a bunch of animals fed bulk food waste of unknown origins while kept in sunlight free boxes and bred to grow so fast they have heart attacks are healthier than animals that can wonder around outside and eat what they like? > "Buy local" has zero relationship to food safety or quality. "Buy industrial" absolutely has a negative relationship to quality. Both the animals and the processing are done with as many corners cut as they can get away with because something thats simply not worth doing for a local farmer becomes extremely valuable when done at factory scale.
- efrggdrgg 2y ago
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- gamblor956 2y ago
  The farmers almost never do the processing, Certainly none of the farms I have seen do. Which defeats the point of buying the foods at issue from a farmer, unless you are suggesting that everyone buy the equipment they need to make deli meat at home from the quarter-cow they just purchased. Both the animals and the processing are done with as many corners cut as they can get away with because something thats simply not worth doing for a local farmer becomes extremely valuable when done at factory scale. This discussion is about processed meats, primarily deli meats. You are not buying deli meats from a local farmer, because as you have also stated, they don't do the processing. But if you meant to say, buy from a local butcher then yes, by all means do that because they will buy from the local farmer and process the meat for you.
  - AyyEye 2y ago
    > Which defeats the point of buying the foods at issue from a farmer, unless you are suggesting that everyone buy the equipment they need to make deli meat at home from the quarter-cow they just purchased. Most farmers have a butcher that they will bring the animal to so you don't need to handle it. I have never had to process any animals myself or even bring them to a butcher. Considering your whole post is based off that faulty assumption I'll end replying to you directly there. This was already mentioned in the first post. Why are these commenters building these straw men and seemingly being purposely obtuse? This whole comment chain is so weird and kind of surreal. People who have zero idea of what local agriculture actually looks like in practice have such strong opinions on it and are willing to talk so condescendingly to those of us that actually care about how food is made. One of the site rules is 'assume good faith' but we have one comment talking about bathtub bologna and another implying that anyone who buys meat outside of a grocery store needs to process the animal themselves. Despite the propaganda portraying local agriculture as some hick operation the reality is it's far safer and more modern than industrial ag. My local food co-op has a website with an order form that delivers fresh food (dairy, produce, and meat, including deli meat!) In an insulated refrigerated cooler to my door. And because apparently it needs repeating for some reason: no you don't need to process the animals yourself. Simply pick the meat you want, just like how you do it now.

Log_out_ 2y ago

eu sabotaged local butchers and hunters with strict requirements for dissasembly of animals

AyyEye 2y ago
Food regulations are often written with bulk producers in mind. When you have millions of pounds of meat from farms all over the country you are taunting disease. (Too many inputs to control. Farms all over the country, large facilities, long time between steps (harvest, processing, shipping, distribution, sale)). It's a miracle they are able to do this at all. Your typical family is able to be far less sterile than any factory and nobody gets sick largely because it's not done at-scale (more pathogens from more places) with long delays between steps to give the pathogens time to replicate. The un-sterilized corner of my kitchen floor isnt going to make it into my food but the machines covered in meat paste might end up getting a bit back into the vat.

skhunted 2y ago

There aren’t enough local farmers for all 350 million people in the U.S. for this to be practical advice. It is only practical for a fraction of the population.