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> Feels like [feelings about dei] It's an issue of competence. Having cleared the lowest bar, society is demonstrably less racist than a century ago. The next

> Feels like [feelings about dei] It's an issue of competence. Having cleared the lowest bar, society is demonstrably less racist than a century ago. The next bar is much more difficult; we may be less equipped than we were for the last one. We can measure some more nuanced outcomes of racism. Past that we are struggling to even qualify successes and failures. Instances & causes remain tied to systems & psychology that seem too complex for current skill sets to parse well. As a result, poor performance and less-poor performance are happening all at once. At this level of the challenge, failure is one of the best learning tools at our disposal. Bad actors are quick to see that and are doing what they have always done - exploiting our poor valuation of failures to derail progress.

Rinzler89 2y ago
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- WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
  > the reality is much simpler than you're making it be. The present day issues aren't caused by skin color or race This strongly implies that racism is no longer a meaningfully impactful problem. That would not be true. > Core issue is not social, it's economical masquerading as social... If this were meaningfully true, police & justice stats for poor white populations would be indistinguishable from poor black and brown populations - across the country. > ...to divide and conquer people Planned and coordinated division is most visibly on display when a marginalized group is suddenly, widely demonized. False rhetoric and tightly crafted language indicate that fascism is a factor.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    >This strongly implies that racism is no longer a meaningfully impactful problem. That would not be true. That was the point I weas trying to prove from the start. The moment you point the fingers at the causes of our massive problem (ruling elite, economy policies, etc) and away from racism, people will immediately accuse you of discrediting racism as a problem. I never said racism it's not a problem, I said as a society we have much bigger problems that impacts everyone, not just this or that group. Like I said above, the elite take 9 out of the 10 piece of the wealth pie, give half a piece to one class, half of piece to the other, and say "hey look, the other guy's class is why you only have half a piece, go fight him over it to claim back what's yours", and you keep focusing on that other half piece instead of the other 9 pieces. If you can't afford a house anymore, and inflation ate away your savings, and your wage has stagnated, it's not because one skin color made a targeted attack on precisely other skin color. Like I said, it's haves vs have nots now, not one race vs another. >Planned and coordinated division is most visibly on display when a marginalized group is suddenly, widely demonized. Who is currently being demonized, where are they being demonized, and who is the one demonizing them? >False rhetoric and tightly crafted language indicate that fascism is a factor. Can you point that out where you see it? And please let it not be Twitter or other social media garbage.
- IncreasePosts 2y ago
  > The present day issues aren't caused by skin color or race, it's just haves vs have nots, elite vs plebs Can you possibly think of a reason why black people might be highly over-represented in the "have nots" group in America? Go out on a limb, what could it possibly be.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    What about the other color of skins who are also part of the "have nots"? Are they not also affected? Why must the focus always be on the skin color instead of on the "not have" part? What's with this racism shit? You're only proving my point that I made above, that people care more about punching up against a skin color they consider have an unfair advantage due to past history, but which won't improve their situation anyway, instead of focusing on the economic and political issues made by the ruling elite of today that impact those of all skin colors who are on the wrong side of the financial fence. Our modern economic system is based on "time in the market beats timing the market", that's all. So of course those who come from a well off background of several generations will be even more well off today, while those who come from an impoverished background will have a hard time building any wealth and most likely stay impoverished, but that's nothing to do with skin color since money doesn't get transferred genetically though osmosis where one skin color somehow is born with more money in their account and the other not otherwise there would be no broke white people. If your parents were broke AF, most likely you'll also be broke AF no matter your skin color, unless you bust your ass in school to escape poverty. But if you have an alternative answer please go ahead.
    - IncreasePosts 2y ago
      Of course people with other skin color are also affected by poverty, or whatever it means to be a have-not, why wouldn't they be? I didn't say the focus must be on skin color. I'm saying to disregard why certain groups are represented in the haves/have-nots, you must ignore history. I don't believe you're arguing in good faith if you think point out that racism exists/existed, and you call that "racism shit"
      - 2y ago

Rinzler89 2y ago

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WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
> the reality is much simpler than you're making it be. The present day issues aren't caused by skin color or race This strongly implies that racism is no longer a meaningfully impactful problem. That would not be true. > Core issue is not social, it's economical masquerading as social... If this were meaningfully true, police & justice stats for poor white populations would be indistinguishable from poor black and brown populations - across the country. > ...to divide and conquer people Planned and coordinated division is most visibly on display when a marginalized group is suddenly, widely demonized. False rhetoric and tightly crafted language indicate that fascism is a factor.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  >This strongly implies that racism is no longer a meaningfully impactful problem. That would not be true. That was the point I weas trying to prove from the start. The moment you point the fingers at the causes of our massive problem (ruling elite, economy policies, etc) and away from racism, people will immediately accuse you of discrediting racism as a problem. I never said racism it's not a problem, I said as a society we have much bigger problems that impacts everyone, not just this or that group. Like I said above, the elite take 9 out of the 10 piece of the wealth pie, give half a piece to one class, half of piece to the other, and say "hey look, the other guy's class is why you only have half a piece, go fight him over it to claim back what's yours", and you keep focusing on that other half piece instead of the other 9 pieces. If you can't afford a house anymore, and inflation ate away your savings, and your wage has stagnated, it's not because one skin color made a targeted attack on precisely other skin color. Like I said, it's haves vs have nots now, not one race vs another. >Planned and coordinated division is most visibly on display when a marginalized group is suddenly, widely demonized. Who is currently being demonized, where are they being demonized, and who is the one demonizing them? >False rhetoric and tightly crafted language indicate that fascism is a factor. Can you point that out where you see it? And please let it not be Twitter or other social media garbage.
IncreasePosts 2y ago
> The present day issues aren't caused by skin color or race, it's just haves vs have nots, elite vs plebs Can you possibly think of a reason why black people might be highly over-represented in the "have nots" group in America? Go out on a limb, what could it possibly be.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  What about the other color of skins who are also part of the "have nots"? Are they not also affected? Why must the focus always be on the skin color instead of on the "not have" part? What's with this racism shit? You're only proving my point that I made above, that people care more about punching up against a skin color they consider have an unfair advantage due to past history, but which won't improve their situation anyway, instead of focusing on the economic and political issues made by the ruling elite of today that impact those of all skin colors who are on the wrong side of the financial fence. Our modern economic system is based on "time in the market beats timing the market", that's all. So of course those who come from a well off background of several generations will be even more well off today, while those who come from an impoverished background will have a hard time building any wealth and most likely stay impoverished, but that's nothing to do with skin color since money doesn't get transferred genetically though osmosis where one skin color somehow is born with more money in their account and the other not otherwise there would be no broke white people. If your parents were broke AF, most likely you'll also be broke AF no matter your skin color, unless you bust your ass in school to escape poverty. But if you have an alternative answer please go ahead.
  - IncreasePosts 2y ago
    Of course people with other skin color are also affected by poverty, or whatever it means to be a have-not, why wouldn't they be? I didn't say the focus must be on skin color. I'm saying to disregard why certain groups are represented in the haves/have-nots, you must ignore history. I don't believe you're arguing in good faith if you think point out that racism exists/existed, and you call that "racism shit"
    - 2y ago