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Building a browser using Servo as a web engine

140 points by TangerineDream 2y ago

basemi 2y ago
Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41215727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41215727
1oooqooq 2y ago
Servo is entering the most difficult age... How the performance hacks will affect security and isolation
- cptcobalt 2y ago
  The puberty of web engines!
Narishma 2y ago
If they put the URL in the title bar, where does the page title go?
- faraaz98 2y ago
  On the URL bar. The URL shows when you click on it
  - TehCorwiz 2y ago
    This has always felt like an anti-pattern to me. Especially with phishing still being a significant risk for the average person. The remote server controls the page title which means that it's inherently untrustworthy for determining where you are. The URL is controlled by the user/browser/agent which makes it the more trustworthy value. There's value in a page title, but it's not analogous to a URL and shouldn't mask it.
- timeon 2y ago
  Probably in same place as in Safari.
demomode 2y ago
> "we can draw our UI with additional webviews. The main reason we want to write UI using Servo itself is that we can dogfood our own stack and verify that it […]" It's XUL again.
- koolala 2y ago
  Godot says the UI is Godot code but doesn't feel like it. This is a great thing! Custom browser UI is just a custom web page!
- chrismorgan 2y ago
  XUL was a different stack. This is using the same stack.
  - demomode 2y ago
    You are right, the "HTML-is-the-UI" confused me. Related but different.
  - infogulch 2y ago
    A general superpowered UI framework is the primary purpose of a browser, I don't see why it ever needed a second UI framework just for the chrome. Maybe HTML/CSS just wasn't up to snuff at the time.
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criticalfault 2y ago
While super excited for servo being made into a browser, I am disappointed in seeing OpenGL at the core of it. Promising a better battery life while having better performance, better drivers and wide support, I really don't see how Vulkan is still not the first choice when it comes to GPU stuff.

basemi 2y ago

Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41215727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41215727

1oooqooq 2y ago

Servo is entering the most difficult age... How the performance hacks will affect security and isolation

cptcobalt 2y ago
The puberty of web engines!

Narishma 2y ago

If they put the URL in the title bar, where does the page title go?

faraaz98 2y ago
On the URL bar. The URL shows when you click on it
- TehCorwiz 2y ago
  This has always felt like an anti-pattern to me. Especially with phishing still being a significant risk for the average person. The remote server controls the page title which means that it's inherently untrustworthy for determining where you are. The URL is controlled by the user/browser/agent which makes it the more trustworthy value. There's value in a page title, but it's not analogous to a URL and shouldn't mask it.
timeon 2y ago
Probably in same place as in Safari.

demomode 2y ago

> "we can draw our UI with additional webviews. The main reason we want to write UI using Servo itself is that we can dogfood our own stack and verify that it […]" It's XUL again.

koolala 2y ago
Godot says the UI is Godot code but doesn't feel like it. This is a great thing! Custom browser UI is just a custom web page!
chrismorgan 2y ago
XUL was a different stack. This is using the same stack.
- demomode 2y ago
  You are right, the "HTML-is-the-UI" confused me. Related but different.
- infogulch 2y ago
  A general superpowered UI framework is the primary purpose of a browser, I don't see why it ever needed a second UI framework just for the chrome. Maybe HTML/CSS just wasn't up to snuff at the time.
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criticalfault 2y ago

While super excited for servo being made into a browser, I am disappointed in seeing OpenGL at the core of it. Promising a better battery life while having better performance, better drivers and wide support, I really don't see how Vulkan is still not the first choice when it comes to GPU stuff.