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Even if the users opted in when they signed up by agreeing to some privacy policy they didn’t read, that no one ever reads, that doesn’t make it okay for facebo

Even if the users opted in when they signed up by agreeing to some privacy policy they didn’t read, that no one ever reads, that doesn’t make it okay for facebook to do this.

dotancohen 2y ago
If someone does not read the terms to a service and then uploaded your private information to that service, and then the service does exactly what they said that they would do with that information, how is that the fault of the service? My parents raised me to be responsible for my actions and understand their consequences, maybe this is an unusual position?
- defrost 2y ago
  Do the HN terms of service permit me to exfiltrate and transform your comment to use near verbatim in my upcoming novel about slimy legalistic carpetbaggers grifting regular run of the mill average members of the public?
  - dotancohen 2y ago
    I grant that permission to you myself.
    - defrost 2y ago
      Cheers. Great lines for a villian.
- left-struck 2y ago
  The issues with your position is: - Basically no one reads the terms they are “agreeing” to. This breaks the legal and logical principle that you can’t agree to something when you don’t know what you’re agreeing to. - The agreement is basically forced. Either you agree or you can’t use the website. Sure that’s fine if you can use another website. However, for example with Facebook marketplace there is no realistic alternative in many places. Where I live our craigslist equivalent was all but killed by fb marketplace. Same for organisation of events. Also if almost every website has the same invasive policies then you don’t really have a choice but to agree. No choice once again breaks one of the fundamental principles of an agreement. - The language used in those agreements are difficult for normal people to read and understand. This both discourages them from reading it and again, you can’t agree to something if you don’t understand what you’re agreeing to. I’m not saying legally fb is in the wrong. Clearly the legal system as it is today doesn’t care whether you understand what you are agreeing to. I’m saying they are acting unethically, and that their behaviour is a scourge on society.

Even if the users opted in when they signed up by agreeing to some privacy policy they didn’t read, that no one ever reads, that doesn’t make it okay for facebook to do this.

dotancohen 2y ago

If someone does not read the terms to a service and then uploaded your private information to that service, and then the service does exactly what they said that they would do with that information, how is that the fault of the service? My parents raised me to be responsible for my actions and understand their consequences, maybe this is an unusual position?

defrost 2y ago
Do the HN terms of service permit me to exfiltrate and transform your comment to use near verbatim in my upcoming novel about slimy legalistic carpetbaggers grifting regular run of the mill average members of the public?
- dotancohen 2y ago
  I grant that permission to you myself.
  - defrost 2y ago
    Cheers. Great lines for a villian.
left-struck 2y ago
The issues with your position is: - Basically no one reads the terms they are “agreeing” to. This breaks the legal and logical principle that you can’t agree to something when you don’t know what you’re agreeing to. - The agreement is basically forced. Either you agree or you can’t use the website. Sure that’s fine if you can use another website. However, for example with Facebook marketplace there is no realistic alternative in many places. Where I live our craigslist equivalent was all but killed by fb marketplace. Same for organisation of events. Also if almost every website has the same invasive policies then you don’t really have a choice but to agree. No choice once again breaks one of the fundamental principles of an agreement. - The language used in those agreements are difficult for normal people to read and understand. This both discourages them from reading it and again, you can’t agree to something if you don’t understand what you’re agreeing to. I’m not saying legally fb is in the wrong. Clearly the legal system as it is today doesn’t care whether you understand what you are agreeing to. I’m saying they are acting unethically, and that their behaviour is a scourge on society.