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> The development model of illumos is different from Linux and thus there are no Rust drivers in upstream illumos yet. But that is to be expected for new things

by 4ad 2y ago

> The development model of illumos is different from Linux and thus there are no Rust drivers in upstream illumos yet. But that is to be expected for new things. In our model, we take the time to mature new tech in a fork, and for rust, the Oxide fork has taken that role. This is silly. Virtually all illumos development is done by Oxide. There is no other upstream to speak of. As far as I am concerned, illumos is Oxide. Also, it's illumos, in lower case.

dvtkrlbs 2y ago
Illumos is not Oxide. Oxide is just using a in house distribution of illumos for their needs. Illumos created is created 14 years ago by Solaris developers to swap the closed source bits by open source implementations.
- dvtkrlbs 2y ago
  Looking at the last commits it does not seems like majority upstream development is not done by Oxide (I did not look at it extensively)
  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    user@machine:~/illumos-gate$ git log --since 2023-09-10 | grep ^Author | awk -F @ '{print $2}' | sed 's/>$//' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n | tail 11 mnx.io 16 grumpf.hope-2000.org 18 gmail.com 21 oxide.computer 29 hamachi.org 36 richlowe.net 37 racktopsystems.com 71 fiddaman.net 91 fingolfin.org 125 me.com I'm not going to post names because that feels a touch icky, but a little bit of cross-comparison suggests that one of those domains should be combined with oxide (read: I search for names and they work there) in a way that does probably make Oxide more than 50% of commits in the last year. Though even if that's true it doesn't make them the only player or anything.
    - asveikau 2y ago
      Considering that Oxide's CTO is a longtime prominent Solaris guy, it's not shocking. I wouldn't surprised if that's the whole reason they use ilumos.
      - jclulow 2y ago
        You can read a bit about our decision making process on the host OS and hypervisor in Oxide RFD 26: https://rfd.shared.oxide.computer/rfd/0026 https://rfd.shared.oxide.computer/rfd/0026
        asveikau 2y ago
        To be clear I'm not saying there is no good reason to use illumos; I've liked Solaris when I've encountered it; I use ZFS on my FreeBSD machines; I've enjoyed reading commentary from Cantrill who I think is a really interesting guy. I'm just saying sometimes technology choices also reflect the individuals involved just as much as anything else.
yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
Okay, but that's just... not true. Joyent is still around, OmniOS is doing their thing. Oxide is a major player, but they're not the only player.
- turtle_heck 2y ago
  > Joyent is still around They are but they're no longer contributing to illumos...
  - jclulow 2y ago
    The remainder of the staff working on SmartOS, and the remaining IP like trademarks, and customers and so on, were all bought from Samsung by MNX so they could take it over. They're doing a great job over there with it, and unlike Samsung they actually want it!
    - re-thc 2y ago
      > and unlike Samsung So what did Samsung do with Joyent? Just a failed acquisition or were there plans?
      - panick21_ 2y ago
        From what I learned from Podcasts, they did a massive build-out of datacenters with Joyant technology for internal use as Samsung. But I don't know if that continued. Love to hear from Bryan more on that.
        bitfilped 2y ago
        It seems like it has not continued considering the Joyent tech Triton, SmartOS, et al. and engineers have been sold off to MNX.io for future care and feeding.
        turtle_heck 2y ago
steveklabnik 2y ago
Telling someone they don’t exist is a bold move. Our (Oxide’s) distro isn’t even listed on the main page for illumos. Also the author is using the lower case i as far as I can see?

by 4ad 2y ago

dvtkrlbs 2y ago

Illumos is not Oxide. Oxide is just using a in house distribution of illumos for their needs. Illumos created is created 14 years ago by Solaris developers to swap the closed source bits by open source implementations.

dvtkrlbs 2y ago
Looking at the last commits it does not seems like majority upstream development is not done by Oxide (I did not look at it extensively)
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  user@machine:~/illumos-gate$ git log --since 2023-09-10 | grep ^Author | awk -F @ '{print $2}' | sed 's/>$//' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n | tail 11 mnx.io 16 grumpf.hope-2000.org 18 gmail.com 21 oxide.computer 29 hamachi.org 36 richlowe.net 37 racktopsystems.com 71 fiddaman.net 91 fingolfin.org 125 me.com I'm not going to post names because that feels a touch icky, but a little bit of cross-comparison suggests that one of those domains should be combined with oxide (read: I search for names and they work there) in a way that does probably make Oxide more than 50% of commits in the last year. Though even if that's true it doesn't make them the only player or anything.
  - asveikau 2y ago
    Considering that Oxide's CTO is a longtime prominent Solaris guy, it's not shocking. I wouldn't surprised if that's the whole reason they use ilumos.
    - jclulow 2y ago
      You can read a bit about our decision making process on the host OS and hypervisor in Oxide RFD 26: https://rfd.shared.oxide.computer/rfd/0026 https://rfd.shared.oxide.computer/rfd/0026
      - asveikau 2y ago
        To be clear I'm not saying there is no good reason to use illumos; I've liked Solaris when I've encountered it; I use ZFS on my FreeBSD machines; I've enjoyed reading commentary from Cantrill who I think is a really interesting guy. I'm just saying sometimes technology choices also reflect the individuals involved just as much as anything else.

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago

Okay, but that's just... not true. Joyent is still around, OmniOS is doing their thing. Oxide is a major player, but they're not the only player.

turtle_heck 2y ago
> Joyent is still around They are but they're no longer contributing to illumos...
- jclulow 2y ago
  The remainder of the staff working on SmartOS, and the remaining IP like trademarks, and customers and so on, were all bought from Samsung by MNX so they could take it over. They're doing a great job over there with it, and unlike Samsung they actually want it!
  - re-thc 2y ago
    > and unlike Samsung So what did Samsung do with Joyent? Just a failed acquisition or were there plans?
    - panick21_ 2y ago
      From what I learned from Podcasts, they did a massive build-out of datacenters with Joyant technology for internal use as Samsung. But I don't know if that continued. Love to hear from Bryan more on that.
      - bitfilped 2y ago
        It seems like it has not continued considering the Joyent tech Triton, SmartOS, et al. and engineers have been sold off to MNX.io for future care and feeding.
        turtle_heck 2y ago

steveklabnik 2y ago

Telling someone they don’t exist is a bold move. Our (Oxide’s) distro isn’t even listed on the main page for illumos. Also the author is using the lower case i as far as I can see?