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> Also there are a lot of trucks that are not a dual wheeled F350. I feel like that is a misrepresentation when people are overwhelmingly buying half ton trucks

> Also there are a lot of trucks that are not a dual wheeled F350. I feel like that is a misrepresentation when people are overwhelmingly buying half ton trucks like the F150. Doesn't change the the vast majority of F-150's are not being used for actual truck-appropriate tasks. They're hundred-thousand-dollar grocery getters, and like, I wouldn't give half a shit what other people are buying and running, if not for the fact that we're currently on-pace to boil ourselves to death and a chief cause of that is oversized vehicles that require more energy to move than otherwise, while offering more and larger blind-spots and more aggressive designs that heighten their ability to kill people, so that a middle-aged accountant can feel like "more of a man" than he would in a van. > Also keep in mind, full size SUVs (like the Yukon) are similar in size to a half ton trucks. Yes, which is why they're arguably even worse since you just have a vehicle with the dimensions of a truck, that lacks the capabilities a truck offers. Not that most consumers need EITHER ONE but that's neither here nor there. > but also just hauling a family and gear around Literally any class of vehicle is better than this. For decades prior to SUV's becoming dominant, people accomplished all of this in minivans and station wagons, which offer more carrying capacity than an SUV (thanks to not having so much dead space in the middle behind interior panels and styling) and they offer a lower loading height, which makes them easier to take things in an out of. An SUV is just a van, but worse, and sitting an extra foot off the ground that it doesn't need to, which also thanks to sharing suspension components and engines with the truck it's based on, gets worse fuel economy than it could, so higher fuel costs, and inherits the higher maintenance costs of the truck too. You're literally any way you go as a family man further ahead buying a van, a station wagon, a sedan, or an MPV.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
A minivan has nowhere near the capacity of a Yukon or an F150, and is more comparable to a mid size SUV. I’ve not driven a truck but I have driven modern minivans. They have lots of conveniences but are very easy to fill up with gear even on a modest weekend trip. I am not sure if you have a family, but just consider the amount of cargo room used up simply by throwing in the equipment you need to care for a baby (like a stroller, pack and play, etc). As for sitting an extra foot off the ground - that’s very useful in very common conditions like snow on the ground, or unpaved roads, or whatever else.
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  My family has moved houses in a minivan. If you and the missus are exceeding the carrying capacity of a van moving the gear for and the infant, you are bringing WAY more shit than you need to be bringing. And, even if you are somehow doing that, then don't buy a minivan, buy a van. A full size van with a finished interior can hold an astonishing amount of stuff.
- kelnos 2y ago
  > As for sitting an extra foot off the ground - that’s very useful in very common conditions like snow on the ground Only if the snow is unplowed and has piled up more than a foot or two. And arguably most people shouldn't be driving in those conditions anyway. I do just fine driving up to and around Tahoe in my AWD coupe, even in conditions when I probably shouldn't be out. > or unpaved roads, or whatever else. Which 90% of SUV/truck buyers will never, ever see. And for the snow conditions where high clearance matters, more than half of SUV/truck buyers will probably never see those, either.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

A minivan has nowhere near the capacity of a Yukon or an F150, and is more comparable to a mid size SUV. I’ve not driven a truck but I have driven modern minivans. They have lots of conveniences but are very easy to fill up with gear even on a modest weekend trip. I am not sure if you have a family, but just consider the amount of cargo room used up simply by throwing in the equipment you need to care for a baby (like a stroller, pack and play, etc). As for sitting an extra foot off the ground - that’s very useful in very common conditions like snow on the ground, or unpaved roads, or whatever else.

ToucanLoucan 2y ago
My family has moved houses in a minivan. If you and the missus are exceeding the carrying capacity of a van moving the gear for and the infant, you are bringing WAY more shit than you need to be bringing. And, even if you are somehow doing that, then don't buy a minivan, buy a van. A full size van with a finished interior can hold an astonishing amount of stuff.
kelnos 2y ago
> As for sitting an extra foot off the ground - that’s very useful in very common conditions like snow on the ground Only if the snow is unplowed and has piled up more than a foot or two. And arguably most people shouldn't be driving in those conditions anyway. I do just fine driving up to and around Tahoe in my AWD coupe, even in conditions when I probably shouldn't be out. > or unpaved roads, or whatever else. Which 90% of SUV/truck buyers will never, ever see. And for the snow conditions where high clearance matters, more than half of SUV/truck buyers will probably never see those, either.